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YOU ARE NOT TOO FAT FOR P90X! *updated 10-3-11*
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This thread is for everybody who thinks P90X is impossible because you're too overweight. It's for everybody who did the first workout and hurt worse than you've ever hurt before. This is for everybody who thinks it will take a miracle to make it through seven days, much less ninety. In short, this board is for everybody who is just like me!

If you're like me, willing to make a change, sweat blood, and get in the best shape of your life, you've found your home. It doesn't matter if you're just starting, are an old veteran, or in need of a friend-- we're all here for each other here. There are no egomaniacs or fitness gurus! Everyone here is both a student and a teacher.

Have you started P90X and walked away for a while? So have I! I hurt my back three months ago and am barely getting back into the workouts. I had lost 101 pounds, but gained back 25! But you know what? I'm still here, and I have no shame. I am here to stay, because fitness is a lifetime commitment. There's no judgement on this thread, because we're all husbands, wives, fathers, mothers, bachelors and bachelorettes trying to do our best for the ones we love. So don't be bashful, jump in with us and BRING IT!

This was me before I decided to make the change. Notice the look of hopelessness and lethargy in my eyes. emoticon

*updated* Here are my measurements when this picture was taken. (As hard as I tried, I could not make that statement masculine..)

Neck 17.5"
Chest (at mammary outlets) 53"
Arm 19.5"
Forearm 13.5"
Waist (at black hole) 59"
Groin 56.5"
Thigh 33.5"
Calf 20"
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RE: YOU ARE NOT TOO FAT FOR P90X!
7/17/11 1:00 PM as a reply to CoachFatGamer.
This is me now! Obviously I have a long way to go, but I've lost over 75lbs. so far! This is thanks to not only my friends and family who have been such a great support, but thanks to everyone at Beachbody for giving me the support and tools I needed to get where I'm going!

*Updated* Here are my updated numbers (that was slightly more masculine, right?)

Neck 16"
Chest (at cold indicators) 45"
Arm 16"
Forearm 12"
Waist (at Grand Canyon) 46"
Groin 46"
Thigh 27.25"
Calf 17.5"


Just for easy reference, here are the differences to date!

Neck 1.5"
Chest (at pepperoni slices) 8"
Arm 3.5"
Forearm 1.5"
Waist (at lint trap) 13"
Groin 10.5"
Thigh 5.25"
Calf 2.5"
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RE: YOU ARE NOT TOO FAT FOR P90X!
6/1/11 11:26 AM as a reply to CoachFatGamer.
Be sure to check out my profile page! I'm updating it with TONS of great information in the coming days and weeks! Just click on my name to find links to my blog and Facebook page.

My goal is to do my best to make sure that bigger folks who come into P90X don't repeat my mistakes. If you're into Facebook, friend me so you can watch me update it after each workout I do. Keep me honest people! emoticon
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RE: YOU ARE NOT TOO FAT FOR P90X!
4/18/11 7:42 PM as a reply to CoachFatGamer.
Well done! At this rate you will have to change your name soon....
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4/18/11 8:10 PM as a reply to AlmightyMP.
Hehe.. the name stays! You can take the fat out of the guy, but you can't take the fat out of the guy...? That made more sense in my head...

I plan to put up better pics on Saturday when my wife can take some. Sorry for the quality!

I've got Plyometrics tomorrow. As hard as I try to take care of my knees, the right knee just gets mad at me sometimes! I hurt it when I was a kid so it's my problem child. I might have to downgrade Plyo to Cardio tomorrow. My plan is to do both, but we'll see what mood it's in tomorrow!

@Pete Did you hit the ARX later in the day?
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RE: YOU ARE NOT TOO FAT FOR P90X!
4/19/11 5:07 AM as a reply to CoachFatGamer.
We did! Got abs in at 930 p.m., showered, went to bed... I much prefer doing those right after morning workout, but some times there is no time. I made sure not to skip it, though my wife was a little reluctant. Heh, fat guy pushes tiny wife into working out... bet that doesn't happen all the time!
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4/19/11 5:45 AM as a reply to AlmightyMP.
lol not outside of the twilight zone!
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4/19/11 12:49 PM as a reply to CoachFatGamer.
Last night around 1 am I officially entered the land of over-training! Have you ever visited? The sights include elevated heart rate, headache, nausea, insomnia, and muscle fatigue!

So my plan today is to relax, take in some good food, then back down from Doubles to Classic for the rest of the first month (next week is the Recovery week). Why would a fat guy try Doubles? No, I'm not nuts! I added in the Cardio routine daily to make up for the fact that normally I don't move around hardly at all. If I had a job where I even lightly walked all day, I wouldn't bother. But I'm in charge of the two year old, and keeping up with her short little legs doesn't take much effort!
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4/19/11 2:53 PM as a reply to CoachFatGamer.
Finally, after three meals, a nap, and lots of rest and fluid, I am start to feel better! Not sure what workout I'm gonna do tomorrow. It depends on how I feel. My goal is to be extra careful between now and Monday, when my recovery week starts. I gotta play it smart and not let my ego hurt myself! I have a bad habit of pushing for glory when my body is telling me to back off. Somewhere I got the idea that it's extra credit or something!

Hope all is well with everyone in X land!
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4/20/11 9:24 AM as a reply to CoachFatGamer.
Well the good news is that I was wrong about the over-training! I was being careful with Doubles and it paid off! The bad news is that I am sicker than I have been in a very, very long time! So I'm gonna take care of myself, and hopefully be back tomorrow. If you're reading this, I want you to bring it for me too!
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RE: YOU ARE NOT TOO FAT FOR P90X!
4/20/11 9:29 AM as a reply to CoachFatGamer.
@Pete How dare you kill my joke! emoticon If anybody asks, you walked that way because you were sore, okay? I haven't been on the PS3 in a few days (been setting up my coach stuff) but I'll check it a bit later. I'm hoping to be up and running for Yoga tomorrow. It's nice and slow and easy to modify. Plus my back is killing me from the de-hydration so the stretches would be wonderful. Unfortunately my head still feels like it's getting hit with a hammer when I bend over! Do you feel sorry for me yet? Good! emoticon

For anybody else who has a PS3 and is slightly... fat, my PS3 username is john6142000!
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RE: YOU ARE NOT TOO FAT FOR P90X!
4/20/11 11:28 AM as a reply to CoachFatGamer.
My intention is to eventually build up a resource on my blogs of information I've learned either from other folks, reading, or hard-won experience! Since I've been under the weather, I've been behind, but I'll put one of them below. If you want to read more just click on my name, go to my profile, and hit the blog on the right.

"Why 'Fat Gamer'?"

When I first talked to my Coach, Matt, the first thing he mentioned was my nickname, "FatGamerGuy." I know that many of you have wondered why someone who is trying to lose weight would call himself "fat" every time he posts a message. It may not seem like it, but I have lots of reasons for choosing such a blatantly obvious (and comical) nickname.

For those of you who have been overweight for most or all of your life, you're probably pretty sensitive about it. Fat jokes make you cringe, and you loath the looks you get everytime you order some food. If you order a burger the look says, "you really gonna eat that, tubby?" If you order a salad the look says, "haha, yeah right." I learned quickly that if I was serious about losing weight, I needed to lose the sensitivity. Here's why:

I used to slip into depression anytime someone even implied the word "fat" around me. I was self-conscious about my weight to the extreme. I realized that if I was serious about making a change, I could not let my results depend on what any passerby had to say!

Imagine it: you're amped up and ready to hit the weights, but have to run to the grocery store real quick for some milk. On the way out, some little kid calls you fat. Immediately, you're depressed. You don't think you've made any progress, and that your goals are impossible. That depression turns into a physical lack of energy almost instantly. So what happens? You go home, hit the frig, then the couch, then go to bed. You wake up the next morning, depressed because you've thrown off such great progress for so little discouragement. Then, since you've been kicking yourself, it makes it that much harder to get started again the next day. One day of rest turns into two, into seven, into "I tried P90X but it didn't work for me!"

You might think I'm exaggerating. For those of us that have lived the day I just described, you know I'm not. So what's my advice? If you're sensitive about your weight (and you know if you are!), actively work at de-sensitizing yourself. Learn to laugh at yourself! So what if you fall down when you're trying yoga? I do! So what if you can't do pushups without going to your knees? I sure couldn't! Learn to laugh at yourself! Make fun of yourself, learn to laugh and have fun during your most difficult workouts. The goal is to make yourself more resistant to criticism and more receptive to encouragement. You don't have to go so far as to put the word "fat" into your Internet nickname (but I'd be proud if you did), but think about what I've said. If you lose the sensitivity, you win back all the motivation that it would have cost you. You get the motivation, you get the workouts, you get the results!
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RE: YOU ARE NOT TOO FAT FOR P90X!
4/20/11 1:29 PM as a reply to CoachFatGamer.
CoachFatGamer:
You go home, hit the frig, then the couch, then go to bed. You wake up the next morning, depressed because you've thrown off such great progress for so little discouragement. Then, since you've been kicking yourself, it makes it that much harder to get started again the next day. One day of rest turns into two, into seven, into "I tried P90X but it didn't work for me!"


This right here is 100% true. I always have the excuse, "I will start again Monday (On my current failed plan)" That never worked out, and was followed by days and days of poor eating, followed by --Monday never comes.

P90x is not designed as a weight loss program, and they do not hide that fact, but, the combo of eating 100% properly, along with some kicking butt work-outs, you can only drop LBs fast. Other fad diets will certainly drop weight faster, but, when "done" you are left with no long term plan, loss of more muscle than fat, then back to eating poorly, and sitting on the couch.(Believe me, I tried them all).

With P90x, you are building lean muscle, dropping fat, and you are learning PROPER food intake, delicious food choices, and proper snacking. All that together is where it counts.
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4/20/11 1:40 PM as a reply to coachBoda.
Bodaciuos:
CoachFatGamer:
You go home, hit the frig, then the couch, then go to bed. You wake up the next morning, depressed because you've thrown off such great progress for so little discouragement. Then, since you've been kicking yourself, it makes it that much harder to get started again the next day. One day of rest turns into two, into seven, into "I tried P90X but it didn't work for me!"


P90x is not designed as a weight loss program, and they do not hide that fact, but, the combo of eating 100% properly, along with some kicking butt work-outs, you can only drop LBs fast. Other fad diets will certainly drop weight faster, but, when "done" you are left with no long term plan, loss of more muscle than fat, then back to eating poorly, and sitting on the couch.(Believe me, I tried them all).

With P90x, you are building lean muscle, dropping fat, and you are learning PROPER food intake, delicious food choices, and proper snacking. All that together is where it counts.


@Bodacious Dude you got it right there! Especially in the first two phases (60 days) weight loss was minimal for me. Almost everyone I've ever talked to says the same thing, that the weight drops off hard on the back 30! The truth is that I LOVE this program! Why? Because I'm a fat guy that can run faster than his 130 lb. wife, is more flexible than his 10 year old daughter, and has better balance than I ever thought was possible! lol my wife walked in on me doing Yoga one day, I was doing one of the poses and her eyes got the size of golf balls! She goes, "don't ever do that again! It's not natural for a man to be that flexible!" Hehe...
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RE: YOU ARE NOT TOO FAT FOR P90X!
4/21/11 6:28 AM as a reply to CoachFatGamer.
Well I've got good news and bad news. The good news is that I'm finally starting to get passed this thing. The bad news is that my daughter got it!! emoticon I'm hoping to do an X Stretch later today, but I'm not getting my hopes up now that I've got someone else home to take care of!

I hope all's going better with you guys. Here's the next blog, I hope you enjoy it! I'm putting the finishing touches on the next one, so I should publish in the next day or so.




Ouch, That Hurts! Common Fat Man Injuries and How to Avoid Them

Keeping your head in the game is the most difficult aspect of a long-term exercise program. Part of the reason we’re on the boards so much is to keep each other focused and motivated. You should know, however, that if you are severely overweight, you face a difficulty that is exclusive to you. Don’t you feel lucky? The unforgiving truth is that you are much more prone to injury than anyone else doing P90X. But fear not, Uncle John is here to help you out! I wanted to write this to give my larger brothers and sisters in X Land some tips to avoid some of the injuries that have plagued so many of us, and certainly me!

So, why are really heavy people more prone to injury? With every exercise you do, you are pushing more weight than someone who is not overweight. Even something as simple as bicep curls are harder, because your arm is heavier. For those of you that have done Kenpo X, have you noticed you have lots of trouble doing the vertical punches as fast as Tony and the others? It’s not simply because your muscles are not as conditioned. It would be equivalent to Tony doing the same punches with five pounds weights on his wrists. Of course you can’t go as fast as he can at first. He wouldn’t be able to do it with the extra weight either—at least not safely. It is very important to realize early on that you are not on the video. You are pushing a lot more weight, and overcoming some really bad sedentary habits. It’s important to bring what you got that day, not what you think you should have.

Imagine a see-saw. The most weight is at the center pivot rather than the ends, right? The same is true for any point where your body bends. When you put all your weight on your quadriceps (the largest muscles on the top of your leg) in a lunge, your knee takes much more weight to keep you stable. That’s why you sometimes feel the most strain just above or inside your kneecap. Also, when you go to stand up straight from bending over, the most force is on your lower back.

In my experience, these two areas are the most prone to injury for anyone severely overweight. When do you know you’re about to get injured? Sudden, sharp stabbing pains in the muscle or joint. YOU SHOULD NEVER FEEL A STABBING PAIN IN P90X. The problem is that most people tend to wait until the pain gets unbearable because they think of some cliché like “no pain no gain,” or, “pain is just weakness leaving the body!” That is NOT pushing through, that is injuring yourself! When you’re doing an exercise, “good pain” is dull and generalized—almost as if someone punched the muscle. Anytime the pain gets sharp, stop what you’re doing. Here’s a tip: If you’re doing an exercise and feel pain, point out the area of pain to yourself. If you need to take your finger and make large circles to cover the area, that is not an injury, it is muscle fatigue. If you can take your fingertip and touch to the exact point of pain, that area has become prone to injury. This is especially true on the lower back, quadriceps, knees, and lower abdominal muscles.

“So, John, does that mean I can stop working out if it looks like I’m about to hurt myself?” Unfortunately, if you are like me, that means you’d only do P90X for five minutes a day. The key to doing this program right, no matter what your size, is modification. Modify, modify, modify! That does not mean you’re not working out anymore, it means that you’re working out smarter! Six days of working out safely is infinitely better than injuring yourself in an hour and taking the week off. I wish I was exaggerating. It has happened to me more than once. Every time I’ve let my ego control the intensity of my workouts, I’ve paid the price. Work hard, but more importantly, work smart!

Here are some pointers that have helped me out:

To test your lower back, bend all the way down, touch your toes, and stand up straight. If at any point you feel a sharp pain, be wary. The key to modifying back exercises is to move slowly and lighten the weight. If you are severely overweight, BACK EXERCISES ARE THE WORST POSSIBLE PLACE TO PUSH FOR GLORY. Remember: you bending over to touch your toes might be the same as Tony with a sixty pound weight on his shoulders. It’s okay if you do the back exercises at half the intensity compared to Tony and his gang, because even at half speed you are still conditioning your back. As it gets stronger, you will slowly be able to add in a little weight and speed at a time. The back is tricky—injuries like to sneak up on you without much warning. If you suddenly feel that sharp pain, don’t modify, STOP. Move onto the next exercise. If that sharp pain is present right at the beginning of the exercise, skip that exercise all together. That might sound extreme if you’re looking at your results, but keeping yourself injury-free is absolutely paramount. If you severely injure your knee, you are out of all lower body routines. If you hurt your lower back, you are out of everything! So be smart. Take good care of your back, and it will take good care of you.

To check your knees and quadriceps, slowly go down as far as you can in a lunge (or squat) until that familiar sharp pain begins to kick in. That is your injury point. Ease back until the pain goes away, and that will indicate your active range. You should be able to actively lunge up to that point (slowly!) without fear of injury. If your knees start tiring out, don’t “explode up” when Tony tells you to. Coming out of the lunge fast is for extra credit, but isn’t necessary to get an exceptional workout. Also, it doesn’t matter if your leg is nowhere close to Tony’s perfect 90-degree angle! What matters is that you are pushing as hard as you can safely and without injury. An important note is that your active range will shrink as your quadriceps and knees fatigue. The key to success is to adjust the range you work in to compensate, and you should have no problem finishing the entire routine (even Yoga!) without fear of injury. Over time, as your connective tissues strengthen and your muscles condition, your active range will steadily increase. I currently weight just under 270 lbs., and my wife weighs in at about 130 lbs. I can go down further into all the Warrior poses than she can, and hold them for much longer without any tweaks anywhere. But I didn’t start that way!

The abs, in my opinion, are the easiest to check because they tend to only be heavily used during the ab routines. The check is simple, if at any time you feel that sharp pain just above your groin (or anywhere else), stop or modify that exercise where possible. Ab Ripper X is so diverse that you don’t lose too much by skipping one exercise, as long as you bring it harder on the rest of them to compensate. The abdominal muscle is divided into smaller parts. In my experience, if one part of it is injured (usually the lowest part), you can successfully complete the ab routine as long as you nurse that one small part. You will quickly learn which exercises aggravate your particular injury and which ones don’t. If you’re really hurting and can’t modify without that stabbing pain, bag Ab Ripper altogether. Don’t be a hero! The abs get used in every routine to keep you stable, just like your back. A severely injured rectus abdominus will make most of the routines next to impossible. The key is not to get injured in the first place!

John’s Tip of the Day: Working hard is important, but working smart is absolutely essential. If you have problem areas that twitch and tweak on you I didn’t talk about and want some pointers from a fat guy who’s hurt it all, let me know!
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4/22/11 7:40 AM as a reply to CoachFatGamer.
Finally some good news! I feel MUCH better! AND my daughter is getting over hers MUCH faster than me! AND it looks like my wife and little one dodged it altogether! Now I can get back onto eating healthy food, and not the crap I've had to eat the past couple of days because it was the only thing that would stay down!

You know, it's funny, there was a time when getting sick would have been a nice excuse not to work out.. but I've been chomping at the bit to get back into it! Somewhere getting healthy because a big part of my life... amazing, isn't it?

@Pete How did Yoga go for you, brother?

@Bodaciuos I never asked you what phase you were on? How's it going so far?
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4/22/11 9:56 AM as a reply to CoachFatGamer.
I am on Day 39 of P90x Classic. Just got done Yoga X for the week (My off day is Thursday due to my schedule).

All is well, and for the first time, I completed all of the Plow into shoulder stand series. Before, I would constantly fall out, and never was able to hold the pose. Pretty excited! I can def feel myself stretching further now, and able to complete most of the twisting poses w/o modifications.
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4/22/11 10:27 AM as a reply to coachBoda.
lol I don't think you're fat enough for the thread anymore! j/k!!

The last time I tried shoulder stand to plough I almost broke my neck! I wish I had a camera because I must have looked like a rolly polly on crack!!! lmao That is a huge milestone, one I hope to join you in fairly soon! I can do crane for a little bit, though, but somehow it's not as satisfying when I know the shoulder stand is out there laughing at me!
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4/23/11 1:08 PM as a reply to CoachFatGamer.
I just got my Shakeology in! Soo... I will be letting you guys know if it lives up to its hype very soon! BUT until then, here's the next blog! Enjoy!





Getting Your Mind Right for P90X

We all have our goals. Whether our goals are to get down to half a whale (like me), get into Dreya Weber-like shape (freaky, right?), or just look and feel our best. What all goals have in common is that they’re over there, and we’re over here. They’re on top of the mountain, we’re in the valley. They’re in England, we’re in California. They’re in Rivendell, we’re in Mordor. They’re on Tattooine, we’re on Naboo (if you got the last two, you are definitely in the right place!). In short, no matter who you are, we all have a place we want to go that’s nowhere near where we start.

If your journey is extreme weight loss, like mine, it’s imperative that you develop the right mindset as soon as possible. The wrong mindset could doom you before you begin! If a marathon runner in peak physical shape started sprinting like a psychopath as soon as the gun went off, everybody would point and laugh. Why? Because he’s stupid! No one on the planet can maintain their maximum capacity for that long. It’s impossible. He would be a fool to try.

So why are we different? The truth is that our lack of patience my very well be responsible for our lack of progress on every diet or exercise program we’ve ever tried. We’ve never followed any program through. We want weight loss, we want it now, and we want to eat cheeseburgers while we do it! Why else have liposuction and similar procedures skyrocketed in popularity? Because people want the results now, and on their own terms. The truth is that we don’t live in that world. Your body wasn’t built in that world. Even those people who get the weight off through artificial means are not automatically what any doctor would call “healthy.” They may be skinny, but “skinny” and “fit” are not the same thing. If I had a choice, I want the fit, what about you?

The truth is that if you’re serious about losing the weight for good, you have to develop a marathon mentality. You have to learn to pace yourself, take breaks when you need them, and above all ration your mental and physical energy. Too often I have killed my own progress because I develop a sprinter’s mentality. I feel good one day, and I go super-hard. The phrase that reverberated through my brain was, “I’m gonna do it right today!” I felt like if I didn’t look like Tony when I did it, I wasn’t doing it right. Anybody who looks at me then at Tony Horton will immediately say, “he’s in much better shape than that fat guy.” So not only am I going to keep up with Tony, I’m going to do it with a 100 pound weight on my back? That’s not simply arrogance, that’s stupidity. So what happens the day after I do it “Tony style”? You guessed it. I am so sore I can barely move. What happens when you wake up super-sore and you have Plyometrics scheduled for that day? You skip it and do Cardio—or worse, nothing at all. So what would have burned more calories? “Tony style” for one workout, or two workouts at your own pace? Easy! Two is better than one.

Am I saying to go half speed so you can make it the full 90 days? Of course not! Tony always tells us to “Bring It!” and he means it. That’s the part that looks good on the t-shirts and posters. What he also says constantly is, “modify, modify, modify!” How do you know you’re going too hard? Ask yourself some questions. Do you finish the workout feeling energized, or exhausted? Do your muscles feel like they’ve been hit with a sledgehammer, even after you’ve been doing P90X for a long time? Are you so out of breath during your cardio routines (Plyometrics, anyone?) that your whole body heaves up and down, gasping for air? See, as many times as I’ve done Plyo, I’ve never seen anyone gasp for air like I have. That means that I’m either A. a better athlete than Tony Horton, or B. I’m a stupid fat guy going far past his own physical conditioning. The purpose of physical training is to push your body outside of its comfort zone, which forces it to adapt and condition. What happens when you’re too far out of your comfort zone? Your body does not condition properly, and it will eventually begin to break down. Any bodybuilder will tell you that if you hit the weights too much, your body will begin to catabolize its own muscle tissue when it gets desperate for energy. That’s like eating nothing but fruits and vegetables, and getting fatter. Does that sound like a plan to you?

So be smart! Find your training zone and stick to it. There’s nothing wrong with pushing yourself extra hard once in a while. A good spike in difficultly will sometimes help you condition more quickly. But if you “suffer” through every workout, and eat the bare minimum of food because you’re desperate for that scale to go down, you’re only hurting yourself. You might not know it, but you are slowly breaking yourself down physically and mentally. Eventually, you will either give up for lack of results, or your body will become so tired (or injured) that workouts are impossible.

If you’re not sure where to start in terms of your own training zones, ask any of your brothers and sisters in the Brotherhood of the X! The message boards and coaches are FANTASTIC resources for finding out what works and what doesn’t the easy way! The key to long-term success is finding that delicate balance between “Bring it!” and “Modify, modify, modify!”

Remember: No one can sprint for 90 days!
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RE: YOU ARE NOT TOO FAT FOR P90X!
4/23/11 4:47 PM as a reply to CoachFatGamer.
I just finished my first workout since I got sick, Kenpo X. Man it was a bear! I'm glad I did it, I missed it and it felt good. Man I'm spent though! Next week is Recovery week so I can relax just a little bit.

Happy Easter you guys! Remember: a little candy okay, a little BASKET, bad!
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