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Ecdysterone - steroid tests
7/16/11 7:52 AM
I was reading the back of my Shakeology bag and it says the following:
"Ecdysterone is a naturally occurring photo-chemical compound that could be erroneously detected and flagged in synthetic steroid screening tests. That unfortunate reality caused the NFL and WADA to add ecdysterone to the list of banned substances in 2010. Athletes and anyone subject to banned substances testing should consult with their physician and athletic organization."

Beachbody - do you foresee replacing or eliminating this ingredient to allow athletes to drink Shakeology? Seems we are missing a HUGE group of people that are like minded (fit) and have no problem spending the $4/day for this (at least the pro athletes).
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RE: Ecdysterone - steroid tests
7/20/11 3:25 PM as a reply to abetteryoutoday.
It comes from Suma root and we've decided the benefits of Suma out weigh the negatives. We may re-think in the future or, hopefully, WADA will drop ecdysterone from the banned list since it's a natural ingredient and doesn't work in the same pathways as anabolic steroids. The actual amount of ecdysterone found in Suma is low and I've been hoping I get tested to find out if a positive test is even possible. So far, all threats to test age groups athletes have wrung hollow. However, I may get tested at World's in Sept.
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RE: Ecdysterone - steroid tests
7/25/11 5:07 PM as a reply to abetteryoutoday.
cool. Thanks for the info. Yes, I'm hoping they drop it as well. Good luck with the Worlds in September.
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RE: Ecdysterone - steroid tests
7/27/11 7:59 AM as a reply to steveedwards.
After looking at the the label for Shakeology, I would be interested to know the amount (mg) of suma root per serving to get a better idea of the quantity of Ecdysterone in each serving. From some initial reading I've done regarding this phyto-nutrient, the only reason that I could find that it is not classified officially as a steroid at this point is because human clinical studies have not been extensive enough and have not been evaluated by the FDA. I found a study done by a medical doctor suggesting that health benefits are seen in people at approximately 5mg of Ecdysterone per kg of bodyweight per day, and that it is known to have toxic affects at 6400mg per kg of bodyweight per day. However, currently there is not enough reliable information known about Ecdysterone to determine whether or not it is safe for humans.

I am not necessarily saying that Ecdysterone is bad...but I would think that it would be a matter of ethics to put a note on the Shakeology label letting consumers know not only about the possibility of it being flagged in tests, but also that its safety has not been verified and a recommended safe dosage has not been officially set.

I am not trying to be controversial, merely a discerning consumer. So far I have had great benefits in using Shakeology in conjunction with Turbo Fire. However I have also had some unsettling changes take place that made me decide to take a closer look at the label since there is no way to know what may be causing the changes I'm experiencing: nutritional, coincidentally-timed genetics, or otherwise.
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RE: Ecdysterone - steroid tests
7/29/11 9:01 AM as a reply to RaquelLieb.
LiebAR:
After looking at the the label for Shakeology, I would be interested to know the amount (mg) of suma root per serving to get a better idea of the quantity of Ecdysterone in each serving. From some initial reading I've done regarding this phyto-nutrient, the only reason that I could find that it is not classified officially as a steroid at this point is because human clinical studies have not been extensive enough and have not been evaluated by the FDA. I found a study done by a medical doctor suggesting that health benefits are seen in people at approximately 5mg of Ecdysterone per kg of bodyweight per day, and that it is known to have toxic affects at 6400mg per kg of bodyweight per day. However, currently there is not enough reliable information known about Ecdysterone to determine whether or not it is safe for humans.

I am not necessarily saying that Ecdysterone is bad...but I would think that it would be a matter of ethics to put a note on the Shakeology label letting consumers know not only about the possibility of it being flagged in tests, but also that its safety has not been verified and a recommended safe dosage has not been officially set.

I am not trying to be controversial, merely a discerning consumer. So far I have had great benefits in using Shakeology in conjunction with Turbo Fire. However I have also had some unsettling changes take place that made me decide to take a closer look at the label since there is no way to know what may be causing the changes I'm experiencing: nutritional, coincidentally-timed genetics, or otherwise.


Hi, LiebAR,
I am also been researching on this ingredient. I was in the same place as you were, noticing changes and therefore reading the shakeology label in more detail. I came out to this small letters note stating this about the ecdysterone that made me wonder if it was safe to keep driking shakeology. I had just finished reading the book about the Shakeology ingredients, which made me happy knowing that I was getting the best, but then, I saw this!.
What changes were you talking about? I want to know if these changes are somewhat similar to mine.
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RE: Ecdysterone - steroid tests
12/1/11 11:22 AM as a reply to CoachMelialaba.
did you ever get an answer on this?
suzy
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RE: Ecdysterone - steroid tests
12/2/11 6:37 PM as a reply to livewellbydiana.
livewellbydiana:
did you ever get an answer on this?
suzy

Noooo!!! I wish I had!
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RE: Ecdysterone - steroid tests
12/5/11 10:45 AM as a reply to abetteryoutoday.
I'll see what I can get for you.
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RE: Ecdysterone - steroid tests
12/8/11 1:28 PM as a reply to abetteryoutoday.
From Dr. Bill:

Ecdysterone is both safe and effective. It is extremely effective at speeding the repair of damaged muscle tissue. The reason WADA banned it is related to the analytical procedure to identify it. The analytical procedure cannot differentiate (at this time) between ecccdysterone and banned steroids. Thus, until the analytical procedures are improved WADA banned it.
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RE: Ecdysterone - steroid tests
12/11/11 11:21 AM as a reply to abetteryoutoday.
Wonder if Ryan Braun drinks Shakeology. emoticon
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RE: Ecdysterone - steroid tests
12/26/11 6:24 PM as a reply to abetteryoutoday.
TRIBAL AND HERBAL MEDICINE USES

In South America suma is known as para toda (which means "for all things") and as Brazilian ginseng, since it is widely used as an adaptogen with many applications (much as "regular" ginseng). The indigenous peoples of the Amazon region who named it para toda have used suma root for generations for a wide variety of health purposes, including as a general tonic; as an energy, rejuvenating, and sexual tonic; and as a general cure-all for many types of illnesses. Suma has been used as an aphrodisiac, a calming agent, and to treat ulcers for at least 300 years. It is an important herbal remedy in the folk medicine of several rainforest Indian tribes today.

In herbal medicine throughout the world today, suma is considered a tonic and an adaptogen. The herbal definition of an adaptogen is a plant that increases the body's resistance to adverse influences by a wide range of physical, chemical, and biochemical factors and has a normalizing or restorative effect on the body as a whole. In modern Brazilian herbal medicine practices, suma root is employed as a cellular oxygenator and taken to stimulate appetite and circulation, increase estrogen production, balance blood sugar levels, enhance the immune system, strengthen the muscular system, and enhance memory.

In North American herbal medicine, suma root is used as an adaptogenic and regenerative tonic regulating many systems of the body; as an immunostimulant; to treat exhaustion and chronic fatigue, impotence, arthritis, anemia, diabetes, cancer, tumors, mononucleosis, high blood pressure, PMS, menopause, and hormonal disorders, and many types of stress. In herbal medicine in Ecuador today, suma is considered a tonic and "normalizer" for the cardiovascular system, the central nervous system, the reproductive system, and the digestive system; it is used to treat hormonal disorders, sexual dysfunction and sterility, arteriosclerosis, diabetes, circulatory and digestive disorders, rheumatism, and bronchitis. Thomas Bartram, in his book Encyclopedia of Herbal Medicine, reports that suma is used in Europe to restore nerve and glandular functions, to balance the endocrine system, to strengthen the immune system, for infertility, menopausal, and menstrual symptoms, to minimize the side effects of birth control medications, for high cholesterol, to neutralize toxins, and as a general restorative tonic after illness.

PLANT CHEMICALS

Nutritionally, suma root contains 19 different amino acids, a large number of electrolytes, trace minerals, iron, magnesium, zinc, vitamins A, B1, B2, E, K, and pantothenic acid. Its high germanium content probably accounts for its properties as an oxygenator at the cellular level; its high iron content may account for its traditional use for anemia. The root also contains novel phytochemicals including saponins, pfaffic acids, glycosides, and nortriterpenes.

Suma has also been called "the Russian secret," as it has been taken by Russian Olympic athletes for many years and has been reported to increase muscle-building and endurance without the side effects associated with steroids. This action is attributed to an anabolic-type phytochemical called beta-ecdysterone and three novel ecdysteroid glycosides that are found in high amounts in suma. Suma is such a rich source of beta-ecdysterone that it is the subject of a Japanese patent for the extraction methods employed to obtain it from suma root (approximately 2.5 g of beta-ecdysterone can be extracted from 400 g of powdered suma root-or .63%). These same Japanese researchers filed a U.S. patent in 1998 for a proprietary extract of suma (which extracted the ecdysterone and beta-ecdysterone); it claimed (through various in vivo and in vitro studies) that their compound maintained health, enhanced the immune system, and had a tonic and an anti-allergenic effect. A French company also filed a U.S. patent on the topical use of these ecdysterone chemicals, claiming that their suma ecdysterone extract strengthened the water barrier function of the skin, increased skin keratinocyte differentiation (which would be helpful for psoriasis), gave the skin a smoother, softer appearance and, also, improved hair appearance.

Suma root has a very high saponin content (up to 11%). In phytochemistry, plant saponins are well known to have a wide spectrum of activities including lowering blood cholesterol, inhibiting cancer cell growth, and acting as antifungal and antibacterial agents. They are also known as natural detergent and foaming agents. Phytochemists report that saponins can act by binding with bile acids and cholesterol. It is thought that these chemicals "clean" or purge these fatty compounds from the body (thus lowering blood cholesterol levels). One of the most famous plant saponins is digitalis, derived from the common foxglove garden plant, which has been used as a heart drug for over 100 years.

The specific saponins found in the roots of suma include a group of novel phytochemicals that scientists have named pfaffosides. These saponins have clinically demonstrated the ability to inhibit cultured tumor cell melanomas (in vitro) and help to regulate blood sugar levels (in vivo). The pfaffosides and pfaffic acid derivatives in suma were patented as antitumor compounds in several Japanese patents in the mid-1980s. In a study described in one of the patents, researchers reported that an oral dosage of 100 mg/kg (of suma saponins) given to rats was active against abdominal cancer. The other patents and Japanese research report that the pfaffic acids found in suma root had a strong in vitro activity against melanoma, liver carcinoma, and lung carcinoma cells at only 4-6 mcg of pfaffic acids. However, it should be noted that this equates to taking 400 to 600 g (about 1 pound) of natural suma root daily to achieve the therapeutic dosage of pfaffic acids reported to demonstrate toxic activity against these cancer cells. As such, it will probably be left up to the pharmaceutical companies to provide synthesized versions of these chemicals in therapeutic amounts.

Suma's main plant chemicals are: allantoin, beta-ecdysterone, beta-sitosterol, daucosterol, germanium, iron, magnesium, nortriterpenoids, pantothenic acid, pfaffic acids, pfaffosides A-F, polypodine B, saponins, silica, stigmasterol, stigmasterol-3-o-beta-d-glucoside, vitamins A, B1, B2, E, K, and zinc.

BIOLOGICAL ACTIVITIES AND CLINICAL RESEARCH

In addition to the pfaffic acids having anticancerous activity, recent research in Japan (in 2000) reported that natural suma root had anti-cancerous activity as well. In this in vivo study, an oral administration of powdered suma root (at a dosages of 750 mg/kg) was reported to inhibit the proliferation of lymphoma and leukemia in mice and, otherwise, delay mortality. Notice, however, that this antiproliferative effect slowed the growth of these cancer cells - it did not eradicate them. These researchers postulated that the inhibitory effect evidenced might be due to the enhancement of the nonspecific and/or cellular immune systems.

In 1995, another U.S. patent was filed which detailed some beneficial effects of suma root against sickle-cell anemia. In a double blind placebo human study, they reported that 15 patients taking suma root for three months (1000 mg three times daily) increased hemoglobin levels, inhibited red blood cell sickling and, generally, improved their physical condition by reducing side effects during the treatment. These results were statistically higher than the 15 other patients on placebo. Unfortunately, once treatment was discontinued, symptoms and blood parameters returned to their pretreated state within 3-6 months. It was reported, however, that several patients in the study remained on the suma supplement for three years or longer. They reportedly maintained consistent improvement and a higher quality of life with no side effects. Other U.S. researchers (in 2000) studied suma root's actual mechanism of action in its ability to resickle blood cells and reported their findings-which again confirmed an antisickling effect and a rehydration effect of sickled cells (in vitro).

In other research, suma demonstrated analgesic and anti-inflammatory activities in various in vivo rat and mouse studies. Another tested activity focused on its long history of use as a sexual stimulant and aphrodisiac. Researchers verified this traditional use, reporting in a 1999 clinical study that a suma root extract was able to increase the sexual performance in healthy, sexually sluggish and impotent rats. In 2001, a U.S. patent was filed on a multi-plant combination containing suma for sexual enhancement in humans. The patent indicated that the suma extract tested increased sexual performance and function.

Toxicity studies with humans indicated no toxicity at an oral dosage of 1.5 g of the root. Another orally-administered toxicity study with rats also reported no toxicity-even when suma root represented 50% of the rats' food supply for 30 days. However, mice injected subcutaneously with the equivalent of 5 gm/kg (in an ethanol extract) evidenced sedation, drop in body temperature, and loss of motor coordination; mortality was observed at 10 g/kg (again, in an ethanolic extract) when injected in mice.

CURRENT PRACTICAL USES

Suma is another excellent example of a highly beneficial rainforest plant that has many activities and applications - with clinical research validating its traditional uses. No wonder it's called "for all things" throughout South America! With its varied applications - from cancer and sickle cell anemia to its sexual stimulant and tonic qualities - it is finally becoming more popular and well known in North American herbal medicine practices as well. Suma root products are now more widely available in health food stores; several encapsulated, ground-root products (and root extracts in capsules and liquid extracts) are available on the shelves under various labels. There is also at least one standardized extract (standardized to the saponin content) that has made a recent appearance on the market.



SUMA PLANT SUMMARY
Main Preparation Method: decoction or capsules
Main Actions (in order):
adaptogen, tonic (tones, balances, strengthens), aphrodisiac, steroidal, immunostimulant

Main Uses:

as a general tonic (tones, balances, strengthens) for balancing, energizing, rejuvenating and muscle growth
for hormonal disorders (menopause, PMS, etc)
for chronic fatigue and general tiredness
for sexual disorders (impotency, frigidity, low libido, etc)
for sickle cell anemia
Properties/Actions Documented by Research:
analgesic (pain-reliever), anti-inflammatory, antitumorous, anticancerous, antileukemic, aphrodisiac, cellular protector, hypocholesterolemic (lowers cholesterol), immunomodulator (selectively modulates overactive immune cells), steroidal
Other Properties/Actions Documented by Traditional Use:
adaptogen, anti-allergy, antioxidant, cardiotonic (tones, balances, strengthens the heart), carminative (expels gas), estrogenic, immunostimulant, nervine (balances/calms nerves), stimulant, tonic (tones, balances, strengthens overall body functions)

Cautions: It may have estrogen-like effects. Do not use with estrogen-positive cancers.



Traditional Preparation: The Brazilian traditional remedy calls for preparing a standard decoction with 10 g of suma root boiled in a liter of water; two cups of the decoction are generally taken daily. Herbalists and health practitioners also employ suma root powder in capsules (the decoction tastes quite bitter) with the reported dosage being 2-4 g daily depending on body weight and health condition and this daily dosage is usually taken in two or three divided dosages throughout the day. For standardized or liquid extract products, follow the labeled dosage instructions. See Traditional Herbal Remedies Preparation Methods page if necessary for definitions.

Contraindications:

Suma has been documented to contain a significant amount of plant sterols including a significant amount of beta-ecdysterone and small amounts of stigmasterol and beta-sitosterol. These sterols might have estrogenic properties or activities and/ or cause an increase in estrogen production (not clinically proven) as this plant has been used traditionally to regulate menstrual processes, as well as to treat menopause, PMS, and other hormonal disorders. As such, it is advisable for women with estrogen-positive cancers to avoid the use of this plant.
The root powder has been reported to cause asthmatic allergic reactions if inhaled. When handling raw suma root powder or preparing decoctions with root powder, avoid inhalation of the root powder/dust.
Ingestion of large amounts of plant saponins in general (naturally occurring chemicals in suma) has shown to sometimes cause mild gastric disturbances including nausea and stomach cramping. Reduce dosages if these side effects are noted.
Drug Interactions: None reported.


WORLDWIDE ETHNOMEDICAL USES
Brazil for anemia, arthritis, asthma, cancer, chronic fatigue syndrome, circulation problems, diabetes, Epstein-Barr, hypertension, hyperglycemia, immune disorders, impotence, inflammation, leukemia, lymphatic diseases, mononucleosis, pain, rejuvenator, rheumatism, skin problems, stress, tranquilizer, tremors, tumors, ulcers, and as an aphrodisiac, appetite stimulant, and antioxidant
Ecuador for arteriosclerosis, bronchitis, circulatory problems, diabetes, digestive disorders, hormonal problems, rheumatism, sexual dysfunction, sterility
Europe for endocrine disorders, fertility, high cholesterol, immune disorders, menopause, menstrual disorders, nerve problems, stress
Japan for cancer, steroid enhancement, tumors
Russia for muscle growth, steroid enhancement
Peru for fevers, malaria, diarrhea, dysentery, flatulence, stomach pains
U.S. for chronic fatigue syndrome, diabetes, Epstein-Barr, hormonal disorders, hypertension, impotence, menopause, mononucleosis, nervousness, PMS, sickle cell anemia, stress




The above text has been printed from The Healing Power of Rainforest Herbs by Leslie Taylor, copyrighted © 2005
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RE: Ecdysterone - steroid tests
12/27/11 9:36 PM as a reply to abetteryoutoday.
The reasoning behind why in fact most tests include Ecdysterone in their list of "no no's" is because Ecdysterone actually covers up anabolic steroids in the system. Therefore if a professional athlete is found with it in their system a red flag goes up! It has plenty of other unbelievable attributes, but blocking steroids in a test is why they added it.. it's unfortunate, but i do not see these tests dropping ecdysterone from their list... Sorry bro..
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RE: Ecdysterone - steroid tests
2/1/12 12:47 PM as a reply to leonail.
Hey, Denis. Can Dr Bill tell you how many mg per serving of Shakeology?
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RE: Ecdysterone - steroid tests
2/6/12 9:48 AM as a reply to abetteryoutoday.
Sorry, Scott, I can't really do that because it gets into proprietary blend territory.
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RE: Ecdysterone - steroid tests
2/16/12 6:20 PM as a reply to abetteryoutoday.
i don't want to jump in and speak incorrectly but I have been told that it's 50mg per serving. sorry if i'm wrong about this but I believe it came from BB.

J
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RE: Ecdysterone - steroid tests
3/6/12 9:15 PM as a reply to abetteryoutoday.
Is this an ingredient in the new Tropical flavor? I don't see the warning on that label.
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RE: Ecdysterone - steroid tests
3/13/12 8:57 AM as a reply to abetteryoutoday.
Nope!
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RE: Ecdysterone - steroid tests
5/1/12 8:45 AM as a reply to CoachMelialaba.
CoachMelialaba:
LiebAR:


...So far I have had great benefits in using Shakeology in conjunction with Turbo Fire. However I have also had some unsettling changes take place that made me decide to take a closer look at the label since there is no way to know what may be causing the changes I'm experiencing: nutritional, coincidentally-timed genetics, or otherwise.


Hi, LiebAR,
I am also been researching on this ingredient. I was in the same place as you were, noticing changes and therefore reading the shakeology label in more detail. I came out to this small letters note stating this about the ecdysterone that made me wonder if it was safe to keep driking shakeology. I had just finished reading the book about the Shakeology ingredients, which made me happy knowing that I was getting the best, but then, I saw this!.
What changes were you talking about? I want to know if these changes are somewhat similar to mine.


To Melialaba:
What "changes" did you experience and/or what do you think LiebAR was referring to with the "coincidentally-timed genetics"?
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RE: Ecdysterone - steroid tests
7/5/12 6:01 AM as a reply to bblfan.
I was/am experiencing increased dark hair growth over my body, some hair loss on my head, and changes in my cycle. The pattern of dark hair growth changed to a certain point, and has remained the same. My mother has similar characteristics, but I've not had them up to now, so it's hard to tell how many of the changes are a result of a change in ingested ingredients and how much is just a result of me passing through my mid-20's.

I went through a spell of losing focus on healthy eating and exercise and have since gotten back into it and plan to compete in a bikini competition with my mother next year, but both of us would like to compete in one of the "natural" competitions. So it is great to hear that the new tropical strawberry doesn't have ecdysterone in it, so I can still have my Shakeology. Is the same true for the new vegan chocolate flavor?
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RE: Ecdysterone - steroid tests
7/10/12 6:48 AM as a reply to abetteryoutoday.
Yes, ma'am.
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