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supporting SOPA... bad idea
12/22/11 2:27 PM
well I have loved yalls products and boards, but will not give money s that you can support SOPA
bye
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RE: supporting SOPA... bad idea
12/23/11 5:58 PM as a reply to avezes.
I just discovered this myself today. What's going on? I think Beachbody's customers deserve an explanation.

SOPA is a bad, bad idea. It will not reduce piracy or counterfeit products, and will only stifle innovation, censor the web, and infringe on our constitutional rights. It will help no one.

Beachbody needs to provide us some answers.
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RE: supporting SOPA... bad idea
12/28/11 5:37 PM as a reply to wraith3k.
I will no longer support any products from Beachbody either as long as they support SOPA!

You F'ed up
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RE: supporting SOPA... bad idea
beachbody piracy sopa anti-piracy politics
1/6/12 11:47 AM as a reply to Icelandic.
I'm extremely disappointed in Beachbody for supporting SOPA. I think SOPA hides behind this mask of "anti-piracy", but when you look at the nitty-gritty, it has the power to destroy the internet as we know it. With (many, many, many) amendments this could be a good bill to pass to protect companies like Beachbody but in the meantime, with all of the errors and loopholes and massive consequences SOPA has, I'm surprised and angry that Beachbody is supporting this. We, your paying customers and loyal followers, deserve an explanation.
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RE: supporting SOPA... bad idea
1/18/12 6:31 AM as a reply to hrosv.
I agree. I'm currently a Coach for Beachbody as I write this, but after I save this message, I will be putting an end to that.

I'm not sorry that I can't support you if you support SOPA, Beachbody.
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RE: supporting SOPA... bad idea
1/18/12 10:37 AM as a reply to Frentz.
Back to the top.
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RE: supporting SOPA... bad idea
1/18/12 12:07 PM as a reply to Frentz.
That's right. Beachbody, LLC supports SOPA, the potentially crippling bill that the House of Representatives is considering at this moment. It seems unlikely that this bill will make it into law, as President Obama has stated he will veto the bill, but there's big money behind this bill and we live in a society where we have the power to tell our representatives and therefore the government what we think.

Official list from the US Government of SOPA supporting companies

Link to Wikipedia's convenient page on finding your local representative

If you aren't aware of what SOPA is, go to the Wikipedia link and then click the "Learn More". Wikipedia (along with many other major websites) are hosting a "black out" session today in order to protest SOPA and PIPA.

As a Beachbody Coach, I will be cancelling my membership as a Coach and no longer supporting Beachbody financially in any way, shape, or form. While I believe heavily in the philosophy of P90X, Insanity, and X-2, and will continue to use them, I believe the company made a terrible decision to support these radical bills.

Thanks for reading and, if you go to the Wiki link, thank you for becoming more informed.

Sign Google's petition here

Chris
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RE: supporting SOPA... bad idea
1/18/12 4:41 PM as a reply to Frentz.
I cannot support Beachbody anymore either if this is what they support.
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RE: supporting SOPA... bad idea
1/18/12 6:34 PM as a reply to Icelandic.
So I assume you all won't support the other major companies listed anymore either. Sony, Disney, ESPN, MLB, etc? Right? Who has a Visa card? Go drop your bank and find a new one.


Ridiculous.
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RE: supporting SOPA... bad idea
1/19/12 5:47 AM as a reply to Icelandic.
No so ridiculous. The current version of SOPA is written so poorly, (or cleverly) as to allow the government the uncontrolled ability to block Internet access to any web site that “facilitated” copyright or trademark infringement – a term that the Department of Justice currently interprets to require nothing more than having a link on a web page to another site that turns out to be infringing.... read more at http://cdt.org/files/pdfs/SOPA_House_letter_with_PROTECT_IP_letter_FINAL.pdf

We have gone through blacklisting before, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism -

Companies have every right to protect their copyright and protect their product - SOPA won't do anything to protect them, and does more harm than good. Boycotting the companies supporting it, and voicing your opposition to SOPA may make them actually read the bill and then make an informed decision on supporting it or not. Read the bill, talk to your representatives then make an informed decision.
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RE: supporting SOPA... bad idea
1/19/12 6:04 AM as a reply to avezes.
I understand the need to protect copyrighted material, but SOPA is not the way to do it! I share in everyone's sadness with Beachbody's decision to support SOPA. Hopefully they will change their stance on this terrible legistlation.
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1/19/12 12:02 PM as a reply to MikePrime.
As Chief Legal Officer here at Beachbody, Carl asked me to write a brief statement about the very challenging and polarizing “Stop Online Piracy Act” (SOPA), and how it relates to Beachbody’s constant battle against online piracy of our fitness products.

It comes as no surprise to our Coaches, customers and anyone familiar with Beachbody that we are fighting a seemingly no-win battle against counterfeiters who blatantly ignore U.S. laws and copyright protections. Every single day, Beachbody is faced with countless online theft-related issues, including the constant “whack-a-mole” problem where we spend thousands of dollars to stop foreign websites that market and sell counterfeit product just to see them pop right back up mere hours later. Piracy is a devastating problem for Beachbody; we estimate that we lose more than $100 million every year to counterfeiting and digital content theft, and spend millions more annually to fight online piracy. That loss hurts our ability to develop product, and our coaches’ ability to build their legitimate independent businesses.

Online piracy strikes far beyond just us: The problem costs the U.S. economy more than $58 billion every year, including more than 370,000 lost American jobs, $16 million in lost employee earnings, and $3 billion in federal, state and local tax revenues.

To preserve the business of creating meaningful and valuable content, companies like ours desperately need additional protections against the costly impact of theft via online piracy, and this is specifically what SOPA was written to address.

We know that any tools or legislation should not undermine the open Internet, free speech, or due process. We believe free speech is one of the most sacred of our freedoms. We also believe theft of property in a technological age needs legislation to protect our right to make a living.

It is important to note that many of the concerns and alarmist reactions about the dire affects of SOPA have been exaggerated, and in fact some of the largest fabrications have been initiated by the companies who profit the most off of facilitating the pirated content. As we hope everyone understands, we have been faced with very difficult decisions with respect to SOPA. We appreciate all of the comments we are receiving, and truly value all of the opinions being expressed to Beachbody about this emotionally-charged issue. In fact, it is because of this outreach and our ongoing review of these issues that we are always assessing the positive and negative impacts of SOPA on our customers and our business model. We are always open to re-evaluate every side of this issue as we move forward. We are not righteous in our support of SOPA, just determined to stop the theft of our product.

Beachbody’s mission is to help people achieve their goals, and lead healthy, fulfilling lives. Without the dedication, support and passion of our Coaches, consumers and fans, we could not hope to achieve this mission. Please be assured that we are listening to all of your input on SOPA and piracy, and know that while we must do what we can to curb piracy, we cannot and will not do so at the expense of other protections, and will be as fair and balanced as possible with our support of any legislation to protect free speech and an open Internet.

I welcome all of you to contact me directly any time to discuss piracy, or any other concerns you may have, at StopPiracy@beachbody.com.

Jonathan Gelfand
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RE: supporting SOPA... bad idea
1/20/12 7:12 AM as a reply to JonathanGelfand.
I have been using Beachbody products for seven years. I have turned dozens of people onto this company and their various workouts. I have been a coach for about 6 months, and I have purchased Power 90, P90X, P90X2 Deluxe Blu-Ray, Insanity, and Slim in Six. I order 2 bags of Shakeology a month. I am a member of Coach Wayne Wyatt's X2 Crew and P90x Misfits. I do some form of Beachbody routine every day of my life. I have written a Five Star review of P90X on Amazon and for the last several weeks have been preparing a new review of P90X2 to post. After reading Beachbody's response above, I will have to evaluate my position as a supporter and will likely stop purchasing any new products or supplements. I am not sure if Beachbody has read the bills but they are not the right solution to this problem.

Of course counterfeiters blatantly ignore US Laws, they do not live in the US. Why should they follow a law that doesn't apply to them? You can not impose laws that apply to the US on another country. Our government needs to work with the governments of those countries to enact change rather than saying they have to abide by our ways of doing things, and restricting the Internet in the process. The United States doesn't own the Internet. I know piracy is a big problem but SOPA is not the solution. When Radiohead had a problem with piracy, they found an alternative solution to it by releasing their product for free and asking users to pay what they thought it was worth. I'm not saying that will work for Beachbody, but I'm saying their are other alternatives than this "shoot now, ask questions later" approach which involves shutting down entire domains based just on a request, without due process.

The concerns about SOPA are not exaggerated. The claims made by the industry however, are. If Beachbody’s actual mission is "to help people achieve their goals, and lead healthy, fulfilling lives," then this wouldn't be an issue, and you would offer your products for free and want as many people to see them as possible in order to get healthy. But I understand that is unreasonable and that BeachBody is a company who's goal is to make a profit. That is part of capitalism and I have absolutely no problem with that. I think Beachbody should make money of of all their hard work. I just don't think they should break the Internet in the process.
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RE: supporting SOPA... bad idea
1/20/12 7:38 AM as a reply to turbofiterin.
turbofiterin:

Ridiculous.

Know what's ridiculous? You support a bill you don't even understand. Did you get Beachbody's permission to use that "End the Trend" logo on your Facebook page? The one with the Registered Trademark logo in the corner? The one you used without even sourcing to Beachbody? What about that Peanuts image on your web site? According to the image, it came from facecoverz.com Do you think they have permission to use that image from the estate of Charles Schultz? No, they don't. Just like myfbcovers.com which is where you got that tree image on your site doesn't. These web sites STEAL images from the original artists and put them on their sites, where visitors like yourself download them without a second thought about where they came from. Under SOPA, these two sites are classified as ROGUE SITES. They would almost certainly be shut down immediately. And by using them and including the domain names on your Beachbody Facebook site, you, turbofilterin, are facilitating in copyright infringement yourself, and would under the SOPA law, classify Facebook as a rogue web site. In addition, by linking to that site in your Beachbody profile, you classify this very message board as rogue web site, and all they have to do to shut it down is to receive a request from the owner of those images.

You may say this scenario is ridiculous and would never happen, but this is entirely possible. Think about how many users here have links to transormation videos on Youtube with soundtracks from bands they don't have permission for. Where are you going to post your transformation video when Youtube is shut down? You are committing multiple instances of copyright infringement on your Facebook sites with the pictures you have, so I don't think you are in a postition to call something "ridiculous" that you clearly don't understand.

By the way, how much money did you have to pay ABC to use that clip from "My Wife and Kids" that you posted on your site?
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RE: supporting SOPA... bad idea
1/20/12 8:12 AM as a reply to avezes.
Actually the End The Trend photo is under the Coach web tools to be used as banners as we please.

I never said the bill was friggin' sweet and that I am ALL for it. All I said was boycotting a company for supporting it is stupid. I am not going to stop my daughter from watching Beauty & The Beast because Disney supports the bill. Nor am I going to stop using Beachbody products, a company that changed my life.
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1/20/12 8:12 AM as a reply to avezes.
As I do not want to get into a war of words on here I will let someone MUCH smarter than I educate you on SOPA/PIPA.

http://www.ted.com/talks/defend_our_freedom_to_share_or_why_sopa_is_a_bad_idea.html

Watch the video and learn what SOPA/PIPA are about and the damage they would do to the internet.

Personally, I am disgusted that Beachbody supports these bills and hope that after seeing this video will rethink their position.

Fortunately, the 1/18 blackout, and the thousands of calls to DC that shut down the switchboards, actually persuaded congress to delay the vote.

John
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1/20/12 8:29 AM as a reply to Atticus68.
Sent the following email to Mr. Gelfand - look forward to reading his reply.

___________________________________________________________

Jonathan,


I do appreciate your replying to the boards regarding Beachbody supporting SOPA/PIPA.


What dismayed me was your wording.

"It is important to note that many of the concerns and alarmist reactions about the dire affects of SOPA have been exaggerated, and in fact some of the largest fabrications have been initiated by the companies who profit the most off of facilitating the pirated content."


That is simply not true, and you - and Beachbody - should be ashamed for saying it.


Companies like Google, Facebook, YouTube, Yahoo, Wikipedia, Twitter oppose SOPA/PIPA, the brightest minds in the technology sector oppose SOPA/PIPA, dozens of (now hundreds of) congresspeople oppose SOPA/PIPA, thousands (now millions) of Americans oppose SOPA/PIPA, the President opposes SOPA/PIPA, MoveOn, Demand Progress, WordPress, AOL, E-Bay, PayPal, Zynga, The HuffingtonPost, Craigslist oppose SOPA/PIPA, all 4 Republican presidential candidates oppose SOPA/PIPA - the list can go on and on.


Do ALL of them "profit the most off of facilitating the pirated content"? NO!


I urge you to watch the clip below. It is by someone for smarter than I and is a realistic explanation of the damage SOPA/PIPA would do to the internet.

http://www.ted.com/talks/defend_our_freedom_to_share_or_why_sopa_is_a_bad_idea.html


Before you say any more I believe you should educate yourself on SOPA/PIPA, educate your company on SOPA/PIPA and listen to internet experts and not lobbyists regarding SOPA/PIPA.


Sincerely,


John
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RE: supporting SOPA... bad idea
1/20/12 8:37 AM as a reply to turbofiterin.
turbofiterin:

I am also not going to boycott Beachbody - at the moment at least - as the bills have been shelved for now.

Why were they shelved? Because millions of Americans stood up on 1/18 (and before that) and called their congressperson, called their Senator, called companies supporting this bill and demanded they oppose it.

If you do not think a boycott works just ask GoDaddy. They supported this bill until thousands of their customers moved their websites to other companies. Immediately GoDaddy backpedaled and stated they opposed the bills. They lost thousands of customers, a lot of money and most of all respect. Beachbody needs to educate themselves on these bills, stop listening to the lobbyists, stop putting out bad replies (as Mr. Gelfand did) and realize that boycotts do work. The customers, the money and the respect you lose cannot be won back easily.

Should these bills come back to the floor of congress with damaging wording, and IF Beachbody continues to support them, then yes I will boycott. My money, and the money of many others leaving, will have an impact on their bottom line. Whether they care is another matter altogether.

Sincerely,

John
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1/20/12 10:20 AM as a reply to turbofiterin.
turbofiterin:
Actually the End The Trend photo is under the Coach web tools to be used as banners as we please.


You're right, I apologize. I meant to check the coach tools before posting and never did.

I never said the bill was friggin' sweet and that I am ALL for it. All I said was boycotting a company for supporting it is stupid. I am not going to stop my daughter from watching Beauty & The Beast because Disney supports the bill. Nor am I going to stop using Beachbody products, a company that changed my life.


I didn't mean to single you out, just wanted to point out how far reaching this bill is and why so many people are upset about it. Boycotting companies is sometimes the only way to make them listen. Beachbody is very important to my life, but the first amendment is more important to me. SOPA and PIPA are so bad because they suppress speech without prior notice or even a judicial hearing. You say Beachbody is important to you, but what if this web site is blocked based on a copyright holders' claim that infringing material was posted on these message boards, and the site is down without even giving Beachbody the benefit of defending themselves? Does that seem fair? Currently in our judicial system, you have to prove your case before action can be taken. This new bill means you only have to accuse someone of being a rogue site and it can be removed. It doesn't matter whether an actual court determines that Beachbody has infringed on anyone, all that matters is that someone else says they are.

Beachbody claims an estimated loss of 100 million in revenue. I don't believe that. You can't say "500,000 copies of P90x were pirated at $200,00, so we lost 100 million." That doesn't add up, because it falls under the incorrect assumption that without pirating the videos, those 500,000 would have all bought the videos.

The President of the United States, and every major Republican candidate has said this bill is badly written. The creators of every major social web site has said it is badly written. The only people who seem to be for the bill are the industry which has shoveled 100 million into lobbying.

I am all for ending copyright infringement. I want Beachbody to make tons of money and I everyone to get paid for all their hard work. However I don't want them to ruin the Internet in the process.
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1/20/12 12:24 PM as a reply to sbrobin1.
I again really want to commend all of you for your passion you have around this issue and as always, encourage all of us to continue an open and respectful dialog. In this spirit, please see below an update that I just posted:

After posting Beachbody’s position on the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and the related Protect IP Act (PIPA) yesterday, and getting the feedback from the customers and Coaches we serve, we have decided to pull our support of this legislation unless it can be drafted to the satisfaction of those it is meant to serve, the American people.

As important as it is to us to protect the investment and rights we have in our product, and as important as it is to support the business needs of our Coaches, it is not within our company's core values to proceed with any initiative "at all costs". Our job is to serve and to help people achieve their goals to lead healthy fulfilling lives which would never include sacrificing free speech or an open Internet. The support of SOPA, and our research into the matter has not surfaced the same fears that have been published by SOPA's opposition, but that point is moot. Perception is reality, and if our customers are this passionate about the issue, we obviously needed to reevaluate our position. We are still committed to protecting our intellectual property and look forward to working with the technology sector on greater innovations and mechanisms to protect American businesses, American customers and American ingenuity from outright theft. If balanced legislation can be proposed that is supported by all sides on this issue we would support it, but as currently written and in light of the response from our Coaches and community, we can no longer support SOPA or PIPA.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us, and the respect you showed us in the balanced and thoughtful way you shared your opinions. It truly went a long way to helping us reconsider our position.

Again, your opinions are extremely important to us so feel free to email me any additional thoughts at StopPiracy@Beachbody.com.

Jonathan Gelfand
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