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Why does P90x2 suck so much compared to P90x?
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I know this is going to piss off the Beachbody community but I was sooo pumped when I first got p90x and did it 3x all the way through. I was the biggest "honk" for Tony and P90x that I told and sold (without commission) at least 50-60 people on the program.

So when p90x2 was introduced I bought the complete deluxe package with everything... and I feel like a freakin' fool.

I'm not out of shape and I eat right and I'll tell you I simply can't do the p90x2 workouts for a multiple of reasons...

1. Apparently my "hips" are weak...
2. I don't have 10' ceilings in my house, nor do I have a 100 square foot empty room to keep all the weights, bars, bands, balls and other crap that I now own
3. The workouts are soo confusing and in most cases, just too hard. When I have to modify 50% of the moves, forget about it.. I'll find something else to do.

All in all, p90x is the best, p90x2 is just a way for Tony to hawk a bunch of crap that I don't really need. I won't and haven't recommended p90x2 to anyone, I wish I wouldn't have bought it... HUGE MISTAKE... maybe I'll just go back to my gym and do my own thing from now on...

I doubt this will even get posted but if it does, I welcome a response..

Bill
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RE: Why does P90x2 suck so much compared to P90x?
1/29/12 9:03 PM as a reply to BillKahlert.
Well, I'm not sure I can answer all of this but I'll give it a shot.

First thing, if you have some type of injury in the hips, probably should get a doctors ok to do any workouts, especially P90X and P90X2.

I think you might exaggerate just a bit about the 10 foot ceilings. I have your pretty standard ceilings and get along just fine with the workouts. Also, I keep the equipment in the box they came in and the stability ball sits nicely right on top of it, so again, might be a stretch to say 100 square feet is needed. I get it, you're pissed.

As for confusing, I don't get this at all. The workouts aren't really that complicated. Most people from what I read took the time to view them first, then jumped in. A lot of posts indicate that the first week was about getting through the workouts and trying each move and the next week was more intense after doing them once. Did you stop after the first week?

As far as the equipment being hawked, I see quite a few people mention this. First, you could get through the entire workout on every disk without any equipment at all except bands and a towel. There is a person doing modifications for every move. I like trying the moves on stability balls and medicine balls but nobody made me buy anything, I choose to do the program with the equipment. BB is a company and they are out to make money though, so trying to sell programs or equipment shouldn't really be all that shocking.

Seems to me, and this is just me talking, you could have gone two ways here. 1, you could be pissed off and hate on the program and bash BB. Or 2, you could have used the fact that the moves were tough as motivation, did the best you could and really tried to improve over time and with some hard work, eventually got to the point where you could do most or all of the moves. I think the workouts are tough, there's a few things I can't do but I'm choosing to really get after it and get to the point I can do them all. If it was easy, it wouldn't be worth doing.

If you choose to return it, good luck with whatever workout you choose to do instead. If you're keeping it and are gonna give it another shot, good luck with that as well, work hard and I bet you'll see some good results. You can always turn to the boards for motivation as needed.

Mike
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RE: Why does P90x2 suck so much compared to P90x?
1/29/12 11:30 PM as a reply to BillKahlert.
I would like to know how far you made it through the program before you decided to post this. If you have only done the first week, then it makes sense why you are saying that the "workouts are too hard" and "too confusing." If this is the case, I challenge you to man up, quit the whining, and keep going until you get better. This is what P90X and P90X2 are about: going from eating **** on every workout to owning that very same workout a month later.

Words of wisdom: The second week gets better in terms of form and ability to actually DO the moves, but the moves themselves get more challenging because you can do more reps with good form. Once you hit phase 2 and 3, the same thing happens all over again. You suck at first, then you get good, then you move on to the next phase of sucking and subsequently getting better. By the time the program is over, you go back to P90X and suddenly realize that you can pound out more reps of EVERYTHING because you've developed your support/stabilizing muscles in P90X2.

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Program outline on ability to perform routines (based on personal experience):

Phase # - WEEK 1
"What the hell? I can't do 50% of what they're doing! I'm falling all over the place! UGHH!!! I don't even feel that sore the following morning because I can't do the moves."

Phase # - WEEK 2
"I can somehow do the moves they're asking me to do! HOLY CRAP, I'm sore as hell the following day too!"

Phase # - WEEK 3+
"This keeps getting harder, but in a "feel the burn" sense, rather than a "keeping good form" sense. I'm getting a damn good workout and feel like I can move on to the next phase soon."
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RE: Why does P90x2 suck so much compared to P90x?
1/30/12 6:07 AM as a reply to BillKahlert.
Bill,

P90X2 is not for everyone. If it's not for you, you should return it. BUT you really should give it a good effort first.

Having said that, I have 7'9" ceilings in my basement and I'm having no problem. During the warmup. I don't use the stability ball on on move. Big deal.

I think the medicine ball are a great addition. They are on an upright stand in the corner of the room and take up little more than 1 square foot. The stability ball goes on top of the TV. Bowflex Selecttech's take up maybe 9 square feet. Resistance bands draped over the back of the Selecttech stand. For the bar, I use and old cane. But you really can do everything with dumbbells and a pullup bar and modify for the rest.

I did 4 weeks of phase 1 and just finished my 3rd week of phase 2. Phase 2 workouts are every bit as touch as P90X. In fact, Base + Back may be Tony's hardest workout to date (ok, I haven't tried the P.A.P. workouts yet). The first 2 weeks of phase 1 are slow. You are learning all new moves, there's no cardio, ... But if you stick with it, you'll get better at the moves and Total Body and Balance + Power are quite good workouts. Not to mention that Plyocide gets HARDER every time you do it, just as all phase 1 workouts get harder the more times you do them. It's real easy to go through the motions and not get much out of the workouts. Practice the moves, try your hardest. Give more effort than you think you can. You'll get something out of them. My core is becoming as tight as it ever has been. X2 Ab Ripper is a great change from ARX.

I think once people get further into the workouts, their attitude will change about the program. It's not better or worse that P90X. It's different. You will get different benefits from it.

I've done 7 rounds of P90X in three years. I welcome something different. A new challenge. And next time I do P90x, I bet my weights and reps will be higher than before.

As Shaun T. says 'Dig Deeper'.
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RE: Why does P90x2 suck so much compared to P90x?
1/30/12 7:18 AM as a reply to BillKahlert.
P90X was about looking good and focused on isolated movements. X2 is about functional fitness. The moves are more complex but once you learn them they are also better.

Someone once told me that the harder it is the more you need to do it. Sounds to me like X2 is the right program to target your weaknesses. FWIW, I had to modify about 50% during my first week but I worked hard and did 6 weeks of phase 1. Now I don't modify anything and am using my normal weights while balancing on one leg or using a stability ball.

X2 has given me much better results than X1 in almost every way.
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RE: Why does P90x2 suck so much compared to P90x?
1/30/12 7:53 AM as a reply to BillKahlert.
Another classic guy that doesnt know whats going on..dont complain about weak hips, if you have weak hips then you have business doing a program that doesnt target weak hips to make them stronger, get out of town with the S***. not facing your weaknesses and saying things are to hard shows that you dont want to work hard.
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RE: Why does P90x2 suck so much compared to P90x?
12/8/12 2:58 PM as a reply to gibsond.
I'd have to agree that p90x is the better of the two. Several issues I have with X2:

- Some balance is fine, but when there is so much of it that if you have marginal balance it takes away from your ability to get a pump or a burn, then there is a problem.

- I find I get many more joint and back issues with X2. I think it is because of the form breaks resulting from all that balance adjusting.

- Foam rolling is bogus IMO. The first time through I did it religiously; now I just FF through it and save 4 minutes off my workout. I know some say the skipping might be the reason for the joint and back issues...ummm yeah.

I go through X2 once for about every 3 P90X rounds, just for a change of pace, but it isn't pleasant.
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RE: Why does P90x2 suck so much compared to P90x?
12/9/12 12:34 AM as a reply to chickaloon.
Mega Dittos on the positive responses. I'm on the 4th week of phase I and so far I love love love the program. I too hated the program the first week, too confusing but my wife told me to quit being such a pussy and I pushed through it. For the second week, I rewound many of the moves, same for the third week.

I bought the basic package because we had a foam roller and stability ball that my wife got 20 years ago in PT school, plus I think BB's shipping rates are too expensive. I use two basketballs for med balls and I use a dumbbell when a little weight is needed

As far as foam rolling goes I too was negative on it ... but it works, it has opened my shoulder and brought relief to my upper back but I have the benefit of being married to a PT that can explain these things in more detail when I think something like this is gimmicky or not effective.

To the comment of back issues, it is the opposite... I have had ZERO back pain the two weeks because my core is now rock solid. First time in long time that I haven't had any issues with my back. I guess your form needs improving.
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RE: Why does P90x2 suck so much compared to P90x?
12/12/12 7:22 PM as a reply to RabidRooster.
I am a certified P90X instructor, and no doubt, P90X is an incredible program and gets tremendous results. X2 goes beyond the results that you get from P90X. Yeah, the moves are initially tough, in fact for me, it was so strenuous, and I push myself so hard that at my second or third week of phase one, I actually blew out my kidney, started urinating blood profusely and blood pressure went up to 195/105. It took me about a month to get it healed up and back to normal, then I started back into the workout. I continued to improve in significant ability each time I did the workout in the next week, I still can't do the darn Drea Roll! Anyway, I began to notice visual changes in my core by the 3rd workout, I did phase 1 for about 8 weeks and by the time I got to phase 2 I thought it was even easier than phase 1. I did phase 2 for 7 weeks and have incredible definition in my shoulders, core, back and arms. I just started Phase 3 today, Oh my, what a workout, I finished it about 2 hrs ago and my legs are still shaking and weak. I can't wait to see what PAP Upper has in store, or can I!! Anyway, my point is the program is advanced from P90X and will give you so much more ability, core strength and everyday functional performance, it really is an awesome program, but you have to be dedicated to it and just stick with it. Your ability to do the moves will improve quickly, as long as you are giving it full effort. And by the way, I am also a Chiropractor, and the incredible core stability you will gain from this will ultimately help to stabilize your back, lessen your pain, and help you prevent future episodes of back injuries/pain.emoticon
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RE: Why does P90x2 suck so much compared to P90x?
12/14/12 7:58 AM as a reply to BillKahlert.
BillKahlert:
I know this is going to piss off the Beachbody community but I was sooo pumped when I first got p90x and did it 3x all the way through. I was the biggest "honk" for Tony and P90x that I told and sold (without commission) at least 50-60 people on the program.

So when p90x2 was introduced I bought the complete deluxe package with everything... and I feel like a freakin' fool.

I'm not out of shape and I eat right and I'll tell you I simply can't do the p90x2 workouts for a multiple of reasons...

1. Apparently my "hips" are weak...
2. I don't have 10' ceilings in my house, nor do I have a 100 square foot empty room to keep all the weights, bars, bands, balls and other crap that I now own
3. The workouts are soo confusing and in most cases, just too hard. When I have to modify 50% of the moves, forget about it.. I'll find something else to do.

All in all, p90x is the best, p90x2 is just a way for Tony to hawk a bunch of crap that I don't really need. I won't and haven't recommended p90x2 to anyone, I wish I wouldn't have bought it... HUGE MISTAKE... maybe I'll just go back to my gym and do my own thing from now on...

I doubt this will even get posted but if it does, I welcome a response..


Well I can feel for your complaints because when i first started X2 I felt the same way!
I had completed 2 rounds of P90X and 8 rounds of P90x+. You can go back and read my
posts from around Jan 2012 if you don't believe me. After working with this (x2) program
now for almost a year (2 complete rounds and now doing a hybrid)I am convinced this program
is superior, by a far margin, over the original. I am a 51 year old male and this program is perfect for me. It won't make me look like Arnold but it will give me the life fitness
that allows me to do anything from playing pick up hockey to not being gassed while
climbing stairs or getting sore after doing gardening. I use the same space I used
for P0X (8'x8' unfinished basement with 8'exposed wood joists) and I'm 6'tall. I have to substitute a towel for only one warm up stretch (where you hold the ball straight up over
your head) so i'm not sure where your second comment is coming from. Also, if you don't
have med balls, use your kids basketballs / volleyballs for the pushups and regular wieghts for the resistance moves. Yes you do need a roller, but believe me you will love the results you get. If you were like me, you might ahve found the first phase easier, so only
do 3 weeks of that and move on to phase 2 which is pretyy close to P90x but yes it
does add a whole level of balance to it which makes it harder. Phase 3 is also
new and a very good burn. Suggest you keep going and I think you will like it in the end.






Bill
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RE: Why does P90x2 suck so much compared to P90x?
12/22/12 1:04 PM as a reply to BillKahlert.
I just recently finished P90X2 and I'm personally a huge fan of the entire program. I did buy medicine balls and a stability ball for the program, and I think you're really missing out on what the program offers if you do it without.

X2 is hard, like way hard. The impossible/possible, 3 ball extravaganza, levers...mainly come to mind as moves I couldn't do at all when I first got to them. I can do them all now though (I still suck hard at the impossible/possible though). I loved all the balance components of the program, you might not get quite as much pump as you can from say the phase 2 P90X workouts but you're getting a more athletic move instead.

Also, I think foam rolling is fabulous. Doing it for just 3 minutes isn't going to get you much, but if you do the short before all the workouts and spend the one day a week doing a longer routine I guarantee you'll see differences in how you feel. At least I did.

I think people that bash on X2 either didn't give it's proper chance, or just don't have the ability to be doing it. It is a graduate level program, not something you're supposed to start with.
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RE: Why does P90x2 suck so much compared to P90x?
12/27/12 6:40 PM as a reply to BillKahlert.
I agree with most of the replies about P90X2. I did it last winter and at first I didn't like it much either. My balance sucked but I kept at it. I've used a regular foam roller for years to help my IT band, I'm a runner, so I already knew about these benefits. This time I got the rumble roller which is so much better. I've done P90X off and on since 2008 but never saw the results that I got with X2. I've had quite a bit of improvement in my running and a lot less injuries. Even my PT commented on it. I've been a runner for 25 years and this is the first year that I have not had to take any time off for injuries. I credit the balance work in X2. I don't use the foam roller during the workout but use it after I run 4-5 days a week. It really helps the calves, hamstrings and IT bands. At least try it for the full amount of time you get before returning it.
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