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My goal is to build a Body Beast - Insanity hybrid. My reasoning is simple. I think BB has a more effective approach to building muscle than P90X's resistance training. However, cardio is VERY important to me and BB just does not offer enough of it. I know the Insanity cardio workouts will compete against the strength and muscle gain from the BB workouts, but my objective is to get into the best all around shape, which includes cardio, strength, and physique improvements.

My initial plan is do the BB exercises as instructed and in order, but I will do an Insanity workout every-other-day. Thus, it will take me longer than 90 days to complete the BB workout, but I think the end result, which will include more cardio conditioning, will be more inline with my overall objectives.

Any thoughts on a better way to make a BB-Insanity hybrid would be appreciated?
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RE: Body Beast-Insanity Hybrid
8/8/12 5:14 PM as a reply to Dan99.
Dan99:
My goal is to build a Body Beast - Insanity hybrid. My reasoning is simple. I think BB has a more effective approach to building muscle than P90X's resistance training. However, cardio is VERY important to me and BB just does not offer enough of it. I know the Insanity cardio workouts will compete against the strength and muscle gain from the BB workouts, but my objective is to get into the best all around shape, which includes cardio, strength, and physique improvements.

My initial plan is do the BB exercises as instructed and in order, but I will do an Insanity workout every-other-day. Thus, it will take me longer than 90 days to complete the BB workout, but I think the end result, which will include more cardio conditioning, will be more inline with my overall objectives.

Any thoughts on a better way to make a BB-Insanity hybrid would be appreciated?


Can you do a BB / Insanity hybrid? Of course. Will you get the results you are looking for? Probably not. You argument FOR using Body Beast is because you say it builds muscle better. You then go on to say you want to get in the best "all around shape". To me, that sounds more like P90x.

If you are doing each program on alternating days, you aren't going to be giving your body much rest. Insanity is "leg" heavy, but there is also a lot of push-up work. If you do back to back leg workouts or chest workouts, your body may not be very happy with you. Just some things to think about.
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RE: Body Beast-Insanity Hybrid
8/8/12 7:15 PM as a reply to JeffSimpson.
JeffSimpson:
Dan99:
My goal is to build a Body Beast - Insanity hybrid. My reasoning is simple. I think BB has a more effective approach to building muscle than P90X's resistance training. However, cardio is VERY important to me and BB just does not offer enough of it. I know the Insanity cardio workouts will compete against the strength and muscle gain from the BB workouts, but my objective is to get into the best all around shape, which includes cardio, strength, and physique improvements.

My initial plan is do the BB exercises as instructed and in order, but I will do an Insanity workout every-other-day. Thus, it will take me longer than 90 days to complete the BB workout, but I think the end result, which will include more cardio conditioning, will be more inline with my overall objectives.

Any thoughts on a better way to make a BB-Insanity hybrid would be appreciated?


Can you do a BB / Insanity hybrid? Of course. Will you get the results you are looking for? Probably not. You argument FOR using Body Beast is because you say it builds muscle better. You then go on to say you want to get in the best "all around shape". To me, that sounds more like P90x.

If you are doing each program on alternating days, you aren't going to be giving your body much rest. Insanity is "leg" heavy, but there is also a lot of push-up work. If you do back to back leg workouts or chest workouts, your body may not be very happy with you. Just some things to think about.


Thanks for your response. You raise some excellent points.

Perhaps, instead of doing a BB-Insanity hybrid, I should perhaps add running (or something else less push-up intensive) for cardio if Insanity has too much leg-resistance and push-up focus. My problem with running is that I find it VERY boring.

I think BB's structure (body part groupings, exercise choices) will be more effective at building strength/muscle definition than P90X's, which is why I want to use BB's exercises and structure rather than P90X's.
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RE: Body Beast-Insanity Hybrid
8/9/12 2:59 AM as a reply to Dan99.
Regular high-intensity cardio and focused hypertrophic training are virtually incompatible. Keep that in mind when trying to create a hybrid.

What are your specific goals?
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RE: Body Beast-Insanity Hybrid
8/9/12 9:24 AM as a reply to CoachMikeSmith.
CoachMikeSmith:
Regular high-intensity cardio and focused hypertrophic training are virtually incompatible. Keep that in mind when trying to create a hybrid.

What are your specific goals?


My goal is to be all around fit, which includes a high cardio component but also a hard, well-defined physique. I'm certainly not an expert, but I'm not convinced those goals are incompatible. If BB provides a better resistance component than P90X, why would substituting BB's workouts for P90X's resistance workouts be self-limiting? I, of course, realize doing BB without a heavy cardio component would improve muscular gain and size, but I am willing to make that sacrifice in exchange for the cardio benefits.

Basically, all I'm really suggesting is essentially substituting BB's workouts for P90X's resistance workouts, and keeping P90X's cardio/conditioning workouts.
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RE: Body Beast-Insanity Hybrid
8/9/12 11:02 AM as a reply to Dan99.
I am currently about to finish my first stage of Insanity this Saturday and plan to start Body Beast on Sunday. It's obvious these two program's are incompatible if ran together but my suggestion would be to take the pure cardio or Max cardio portion of Insanity and do these Three times a week taking care to remove or replace the resistance type excercises incorporated into the workouts such as level 2 drills, push up Jacks etc so as not to over train chest shoulders. Obviously don't do them directly after leg day either but as long as you keep an eye on your calories and adjust if your gains are not moving quickly enough you will be fine. I have done both Insanity and Trained a body part a day for he last few months and I added approx 350 kc on the days I trained both and didn't suffer. For me Body Beast has been designed so that your session is intense and hard hitting for the 45mins so your body will be producing sufficient testosterone to build and then rest is the next important factor for this workout. To add the extra training be it Insanity or whatever could be detrimental to the GAINS that are associated with BB but I Also realise that a lot of people have a large problem with the extra carbs and small amount of Cardio.

Have faith in the program I think if the nutritional guidelines are stuck to it will all come together. Remember Bodybuilders, Build for 6 mths (off season)then spend the other trying 6 losing the excess fat that covers their muscles for their comps. this workout trims that cycle by a quarter but same principles apply, you have to gain first before trying to trim off and if it goes on a little bit too quickly due to your Somatotype or whatever a little extra cardio won't hurt that much.
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RE: Body Beast-Insanity Hybrid
8/9/12 11:46 AM as a reply to Dan99.
Dan99:
CoachMikeSmith:
Regular high-intensity cardio and focused hypertrophic training are virtually incompatible. Keep that in mind when trying to create a hybrid.

What are your specific goals?


My goal is to be all around fit, which includes a high cardio component but also a hard, well-defined physique. I'm certainly not an expert, but I'm not convinced those goals are incompatible. If BB provides a better resistance component than P90X, why would substituting BB's workouts for P90X's resistance workouts be self-limiting? I, of course, realize doing BB without a heavy cardio component would improve muscular gain and size, but I am willing to make that sacrifice in exchange for the cardio benefits.

Basically, all I'm really suggesting is essentially substituting BB's workouts for P90X's resistance workouts, and keeping P90X's cardio/conditioning workouts.
As long as you're aware of the drawbacks, then by all means. My post was geared toward the mentality of "more=better" that some embrace without full appreciation of the potential consequences.

Just wanted to make sure that you were aware of the sacrifices you'd be making in muscle gain (promoted as a central focus of Bemoticon by adding regular HIIT cardio-centric workouts.

Personally, I think you may still be exposing yourself to potential losses from overtraining, but that's a highly subjective issue that only you can ultimately gauge. As well, from what you're describing in terms of goals, the P90X circuit approach seems like a better fit, although the urge for some new variety is certainly understandable.
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RE: Body Beast-Insanity Hybrid
8/9/12 12:15 PM as a reply to Dan99.
I have been doing BB for 3 weeks now. Great gains so far. I add a day of Asylum vertical plyo or speed and agility to the program as well as a yoga session each week. Try that for now. You are still doing cardio twice a week this way. Like p90x.

To do this and also get a rest day in it requires that you do 4 week blocks instead of 3 week blocks as you will be doing each workout once a week. The regular beast has you doing a sunday workout where this way, you are resting on sunday and the starting chest/tri etc on monday again instead of that sunday. This has been my plan so far and it is working very well. Give it a try If you have any questions about it let me know.
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RE: Body Beast-Insanity Hybrid
8/9/12 10:50 PM as a reply to Dan99.
Dan99:
If BB provides a better resistance component than P90X, why would substituting BB's workouts for P90X's resistance workouts be self-limiting?


Mostly because Body Beast does not provide a "better" resistance component. It provides a DIFFERENT resistance component. The goals of the two are not the same. The goals of P90X resistance training is to give you an overall well-rounded physique (which it sounds like is what you're looking for). The goal of Body Beast is hypertrophy, aka getting big. Adding cardio to Body Beast will cancel that effect and make Body Beast kinda useless. It very much sounds like P90X is the program you're looking for. A P90X/Insanity hybrid is also doable since the cardio workouts of P90X have the same goals as Insanity. But it's mostly important to remember that Body Beast was designed for one thing - to get you big. Altering the program will go against those goals.
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RE: Body Beast-Insanity Hybrid
2/26/13 4:57 AM as a reply to Dan99.
I am actually starting a BB/ Insanity hybrid. I see everyone's point it makes complete sense but in actuality it all has to do with alignment of goals. If you have never done BB alone before then I wouldnt suggest a hybrid. Trust the program by itsself and then build from there. Yes HIIT and a massive gainer seem incompatible but if your g oal isnt literally to beast up then I think you will be fine as long as you schedule your cardio days accordingly so you can rest. My goal in doing Body Beast inst to make gains. I gain mass super easy it doesnt take me much. I did Body Beast and gained 1o inches and 6 LBS just in bulk phase alone. I dont like that. My goal is the slimmer more muscular look with the righht muscle definition to pull up the extra skin I have from excessive weight loss. I know its possibly because I have seen it but I dont want to mass that comes with BB so I am lifting lighter but using the Body Beast format to fit my needs. If you are a seasoned trainer and you are used to working out then you can take these too and build because to be in optimal health and shape you do need to focus on cardiovascular health along with Muscle hypertrophy. So I think it would be a go like I said as long as you schedule accordingly. Good Luck
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RE: Body Beast-Insanity Hybrid
4/9/13 7:53 AM as a reply to kcepp.
Interesting discussion. I do P90X and keep looking at BodyBeast because the exercises look like a great change of pace and I wouldn't mind adding some muscle size. However, I do not want to lose the cardio (i.e., Heart) conditioning that I get from P90X. So... I've been considering adding an additional cardio workout like elliptical to the weeks that there is only one cardio workout and 2x on the weeks that there are none. We'll see, still not sure...
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RE: Body Beast-Insanity Hybrid
4/10/13 8:02 AM as a reply to RobertFitX.
I'm doing an Asylum/Beast hybrid and I LOVE IT. Asylum (volume 1) works legs like crazy (along with my lungs), and I'm only doing upper body with Beast (which trust me is enough!). I don't do all the pushups in Asylum, preferring to work lower core with Ab Progressions or Mountain Climbers. So, a typical week would be:

Monday - Speed and Agility
Tuesday - BUILD Chest/Tri's/Beast Abs
Wednesday - Vertical Plyo
Thursday - BUILD Back/Bi's/Asylum VOLUME 2 Ab Shredder
Friday - Gameday
Saturday - BUILD Shoulders

I'm doing it this way for the next 3 weeks, then I'm switching to the BULK dvd's. May have to include Sunday for another BB dvd, but that's ok.

While not doing Beast legs means no short twitch muscle fibers are being used, I have to think that !#$^#*#$*$^*#%^&@$&%^&( Vertical Plyo does more than enough to bust my legs good.

Oh, and I'm going on 46 yrs young, and I am doing all of this on a strict vegan diet, where I am matching my body weight in protein, particularly on Beast days (I weigh 124 lbs, and I'm 5'8"). I am gaining upper body size and definition, and I think it's a marvelous hybrid to do. Plus, when I lean back, I can see a 6-pack, WOOOT!!!!
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RE: Body Beast-Insanity Hybrid
4/9/13 8:31 AM as a reply to Dan99.
Dan99:
My goal is to build a Body Beast - Insanity hybrid. My reasoning is simple. I think BB has a more effective approach to building muscle than P90X's resistance training. However, cardio is VERY important to me and BB just does not offer enough of it. I know the Insanity cardio workouts will compete against the strength and muscle gain from the BB workouts, but my objective is to get into the best all around shape, which includes cardio, strength, and physique improvements.

My initial plan is do the BB exercises as instructed and in order, but I will do an Insanity workout every-other-day. Thus, it will take me longer than 90 days to complete the BB workout, but I think the end result, which will include more cardio conditioning, will be more inline with my overall objectives.

Any thoughts on a better way to make a BB-Insanity hybrid would be appreciated?


Very interesting thread, team. But I am not sure if we understand what we mean by "cardio" when we talk about this. So, can we first come to an agreement on what "cardio" means?

It seems to me that "cardio" means any exercise or training activity which makes the heart and lung system work harder, thereby improving ... what? Likely, improving the body's ability to make better use of oxygen uptake in engaging the aerobic (meaning, "uses oxygen") metabolism energy system.

Numerous studies show that intensive strength training has strong positive results on improving aerobic capacity. It engages all 3 of the body's energy systems and has an extended metabolic effect where significant numbers of calories continue to be burned after the workout is over (the EPOC effect), burning more body fat.

The goals of endurance training and strength training are not incompatible - but the best advice I've ever heard is "you don't run to get fit; you get fit, and then run."

If you are going to engage in an activity that requires a capability to perform a moderate level of activity for a prolonged period - distance running, for example - then you should probably emphasize endurance training in your workouts.

But if you're looking for an exercise program that helps burn fat, add lean muscle mass, and provide strong benefits to the ability of the body to generate power and strength both aerobically and anaerobically, then a vigorous weight/resistance/strength training program is your best bet - P90X, X2, and BodyBeast.

Bruce
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RE: Body Beast-Insanity Hybrid
4/24/13 8:14 PM as a reply to Dan99.
Hi, has anybody made up a BB and insanity or asylum hybrid yet as a PDF or excel file? I am very interested in this as well. Love cardio, love weights. Not looking to bulk up but like strength training. Don't want to gain weight. Thanks!
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