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P90X2 - What are your thoughts?
P90X2 - What are your thoughts?
p90x2 review
10/28/12 5:56 PM
I am currently 8 weeks into Body Beast and looking for a new program when I get done. I have done several rounds of P90X, and one round of Insanity in the past. What are some of your opinions on X2? I have seen several videos and it looks really core intensive, but how does it compare to the original?

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RE: P90X2 - What are your thoughts?
10/30/12 12:35 PM as a reply to tjstoffer.
I think that it's hard to compare programs outside the context of what your exercise goals are. I've done X, X2, Body Beast, Asylum, and Insanity, and I don't think any one program can simply be compared to another.

Body Beast is, pure and simple, a bodybuilding program. Not really a strength or a fitness program, but a bodybuilding program designed for aesthetic goals. Why do I say this? Because look at the workouts of people who compete in Mr. Universe and other body "image" competitions. They are doing workouts very similar to this. On the other hand, look at the workouts of powerlifters and the conditioning workouts of athletes -- they're doing squats, deadlifts, front squats, power cleans, bench press, etc. And they're not doing 10 different types of curl or tricep exercise or shoulder exercise. Relative lifting novices are going to get stronger at Body Beast, but again it's designed around bodybuilding programming and not around strength training programming.

P90X, the original, has a lot of the bodybuilding vibe too. The resistance workouts, esp for arms and shoulders, bear a much closer resemblance to bodybuilding programs than to strength training programs. But P90X also adds some other fitness tasks too, like power (plyometrics), and balance / flexibility / recovery (yoga and probably kenpo count). And the legs part of legs and back, while not a GREAT strength workout, is definitely a good balance and 'functional' leg workout.

P90X2 is way different. It is very strongly influenced, especially in the first two phases, by functional fitness people like Gray Cook and Mike Boyle. It is definitely NOT a strength training program, but unlike P90X the strength workouts are meant to be synergistic -- they are challenging you to maintain body position, balance, and core rigidity. There is more of an end-to-end curriculum, with core / balance in the beginning, functional strength in the middle, and power in the end.

I'm not sure there's really a better or worse, it depends what your goals are. And not every goal in every person is easily or completely met by a Beachbody program.
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RE: P90X2 - What are your thoughts?
10/30/12 2:54 PM as a reply to tjstoffer.
Aww, man, I had a great big response written out and I lost it. :-(

It's hard to top Paul's excellent response, but a few quick comparisons that might give you an idea:

1. Equipment- X2 requires more equipment than the original, but it's not superfluous- they didn't just throw stuff in there to make it fancy (or expensive). The equipment really does add to the workouts!

2. Recovery- X2 has two rest days a week (as opposed to one) and the suggested workout on one or both of those is the "Recovery and Mobility" workout. This workout features foam-rolling. It may seem like a bummer to have to have a rest day twice a week, but I've really come to love that foam roller!

3. Flexibility- P90X had a more strict schedule- X2 is designed so that you can modify the schedule to reflect your goals.

4. Intensity/Athleticism- You're absolutely right that X2 is core-intensive! My core has loved this program. The X2 workouts, as a rule, are shorter than their counterparts in P90X, but the intensity is raised. At least, if you bring it! :-)

I kind of think of P90X as basic fitness- very intense, but covering the basics; pushing, pulling, jumping, cardio, basic workouts to get people in shape. X2 takes physical fitness and turns it into capability, training the body to work together as a unified whole. X2 brings a new level of core and balance work.

All that to say, I love X2- even better than the original!- and I'd recommend it to anybody! Hope that helps. :-)
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RE: P90X2 - What are your thoughts?
10/31/12 8:28 AM as a reply to GabrielHudelson.
I like X2 the best of them as well. But my personal 'evolution' is such that I don't think I would do X2 again by itself. While it has many strong points, the most plain old basic athletic skill that's missing from the program is hardcore strength training. And this is especially true for weighted multijoint movements. So I kind of feel like the best of both worlds would be to combine an old school barbell lifting program (with basic stuff -- squats, presses, deadlifts) with some single leg work, some mobility work, and some plyometrics. I think that would improve upon X2 -- it would add strength, and it would add muscle mass (which in and of itself improves function -- bigger muscles have more efficient leverage on the skeletal structures they're moving around). Also, multijoint exercises with heavy weights are a great way to improve flexibility, which is also incompletely addressed in X2.

But X2 is complicated enough that it's probably worth doing just by itself straight through (including an extra 4 week phase with V-sculpt and X2-CST during phase 2), before getting fancy with hybrids.
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RE: P90X2 - What are your thoughts?
11/1/12 1:54 PM as a reply to tjstoffer.
I concur with X2 being the best all around program. I've done P90X about 6 times, Insanity twice, Asylum Volume one twice, and P90X2 twice.

I think I got the best overall results from P90X2. It took me to places that P90X and Insanity just couldn't because of the way that it forces the stabilization muscles to work. I've gone back and done a hybrid of P90X & P90X2 and was astounded how much higher my numbers are in P90X AFTER P90X2... I'm talking like a 25% increase on pullups/pushups.
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RE: P90X2 - What are your thoughts?
11/1/12 1:58 PM as a reply to PaulX2.
PaulX2:
I like X2 the best of them as well. But my personal 'evolution' is such that I don't think I would do X2 again by itself. While it has many strong points, the most plain old basic athletic skill that's missing from the program is hardcore strength training. And this is especially true for weighted multijoint movements. So I kind of feel like the best of both worlds would be to combine an old school barbell lifting program (with basic stuff -- squats, presses, deadlifts) with some single leg work, some mobility work, and some plyometrics. I think that would improve upon X2 -- it would add strength, and it would add muscle mass (which in and of itself improves function -- bigger muscles have more efficient leverage on the skeletal structures they're moving around). Also, multijoint exercises with heavy weights are a great way to improve flexibility, which is also incompletely addressed in X2.

But X2 is complicated enough that it's probably worth doing just by itself straight through (including an extra 4 week phase with V-sculpt and X2-CST during phase 2), before getting fancy with hybrids.


Here is the rough outline for my P90X/X2 Hybrid.

2-3 weeks: X2 Phase 1
6 weeks: Combo of X and X2 resistance workouts alternating weeks (week 1 P90X Phase 1/Week2 X2 Strength phase.
Rest week
6 Weeks: X1 Phase 2 & X2 Strength phase with CST & VSculpt
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RE: P90X2 - What are your thoughts?
11/2/12 6:20 AM as a reply to tjstoffer.
Agree with what everyone is saying. X2 is the best overall program for how it affects performance. My balance and core was awesome after finishing X2. It really broke me through some plateaus.

I just finished a bulking phase with the orginal X and I'm about to hit X2 again.
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RE: P90X2 - What are your thoughts?
11/3/12 7:21 AM as a reply to tjstoffer.
Just to echo what some others have said I love X2. I've done P90X, Insanity, and Asylum volume 1 as well.

The core and balance component of X2 is one of my favorite additions. I really love the way it challenges your body and concentrate on the focus. I still love to hit Asylum, but I'll always be going back to X2 for the core, balance, and strength work.
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RE: P90X2 - What are your thoughts?
12/2/12 2:53 PM as a reply to inShayniac.
My 2 cents...
Completed many rounds of P90X, P90X+, P90X2 and Insanity Asylum.
I'm now doing my own hybrid of X2 which goes:
- 4-6 weeks of X2 Phase 2 (Strength)
- X2 Recovery week,
- 4 weeks more of X2 Phase 2,
(sometimes I will throw in a random workout from X2, phase 1)
- Recovery week,
- 4 weeks of X2 Phase 3 (PAP)
Repeat cycle.
I try to increase reps/weights or something each time but
it gets harder.

I found the intensity on Insanity a little too much,
almost like having somethiing on full volume, continuously!
Also found the X2 phase 1 core and balance & power workouts a little too easy,
so I need to really space them out which is why I say random above.
This excludes Total Body from Phase 1 which is killer.

For me (51 year old male) the above works and believe X2
really works for "Life Fitness". i.e not interested in
bulking up as much as wanting to be fit, trim, and just
in overall good shape.
X2 has done that for me
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