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Advice ASAP-switch programs?
p90x bdy beast
11/27/12 9:25 PM
need advice asap
I am doing Body Beast. Just finished day 9. I ordered a bunch of mass gainer--almost 100 servings worth from the GNC cyber monday sale, but am rethinking based on a conversation i had with a beachbody coach.
I am trying desperately to get ab definition. body beast is going to lose any chance of that if i pack on mass, right?
so heres the issue: 1) I WANT ABS. I'm sitting at 12ish percent body fat and i see no definition. Should i switch programs? This would be in tandem with pretty exerting hockey 4+times a week. I can either switch programs or stay on beast and alter the diet.
2) do i refuse shipment on the mass gainer?

I really am not playing on this. I want results, i'm tired of waiting. my diet of very low sugar, only whole wheat etc has been in effect over 2 months and no abs, what the f** do i have to do to get this going? Im sick of it. I train like an athlete every day this is stupid.

So again--1) Program--I want to look cut and get abs abs abs--this will supplement 4 days a week of hockey bear in mind
2) Mass gainer--yes or no (can i really stick to pasta and bread)?

PLEASE let me know asap

Thanks guys!
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RE: Advice ASAP-switch programs?
11/28/12 4:50 AM as a reply to hgeek23.
Hgeek23, if you already ordered the weight gainer, don't worry you don't need it but you can still use it. It can help you reach your calories goal. Just make sure that it fits in your macro.

Body Beast will help you get abs definition. When you will be in the beast phase you will shred off the fat that you will gain in the build in bulk phase to get this 6 packs. We just have to make sure you follow your nutrition closely so you don't add unnecessary body fat. Do you have a Myfitnesspal account so you can track your nutrition? No need to switch your program, you can get ripped with body beast.

I see that a you have posted a lot of questions in the forum lately and you seem a little lost about your nutrition and workout. We should schedule a little chat so i can answer all your questions at once and you will be all set for your beasty round.
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RE: Advice ASAP-switch programs?
11/28/12 5:47 AM as a reply to DominicDuclos.
DominicDuclos:
Hgeek23, if you already ordered the weight gainer, don't worry you don't need it but you can still use it. It can help you reach your calories goal. Just make sure that it fits in your macro.

Body Beast will help you get abs definition. When you will be in the beast phase you will shred off the fat that you will gain in the build in bulk phase to get this 6 packs. We just have to make sure you follow your nutrition closely so you don't add unnecessary body fat. Do you have a Myfitnesspal account so you can track your nutrition? No need to switch your program, you can get ripped with body beast.

I see that a you have posted a lot of questions in the forum lately and you seem a little lost about your nutrition and workout. We should schedule a little chat so i can answer all your questions at once and you will be all set for your beasty round.


Hgeek23 - Be very careful with the "shredding" fat in Beast Phase promise. If you go with Body Beast Build/Bulk nutrition, there is a chance you will not "shred" off the fat back to where you started at the end. 3 weeks is a very short time frame to lose fat, especially if you put on a good 5 or so pounds of blubber. Being exact, to the calorie might get you close, but be very attentive to how you are gaining in the Build/Bulk Phases. Check every 2 weeks on your fat and lean mass changes.

Also, this is not the program I would say to focus on if your goal right now is to sprint to six-pack Abs. This follows the traditional bulk - then cut model, which by nature assumes you will gain some fat in the bulk phase. That is opposite of your goal you have stated.

You do have options however on how to get to that 6 pack. Something like Insanity, P90X, or even a really good heavy lifting program. I would say read the book Bigger, Leaner, Stronger as a possible option to look at how and why lifting heavy can get you there without muscle loss and a crap-ton of cardio.

Keep the weight-gain shake for another phase later on, or to supplement your basic nutrition. Just use the math on macros and calories.
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11/28/12 6:36 AM as a reply to bnurick.
bnurick : I did the Body Beast program for 1 round and cutted 4% of body fat in 3 weeks while following the program guideline, i don't see why he shouldn't be able to do the same. And if he having problem cutting the fat, he can still had 1 more week to the beast phase or do 1 round of Insanity asylum post Body Beast.

Sure he can do another program to shred off fat, but he just said he is 12% Body Fat which is not that high. And he is already doing a lot of cardio/ high intensity training with hockey so i wouldn't recommend him another program with a weight lose aim. Body Beast will help him gain muscle mass and his hockey should help him control his fat gain.
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11/28/12 10:17 AM as a reply to hgeek23.
hgeek23:
need advice asap
I am doing Body Beast. Just finished day 9. I ordered a bunch of mass gainer--almost 100 servings worth from the GNC cyber monday sale, but am rethinking based on a conversation i had with a beachbody coach.
I am trying desperately to get ab definition. body beast is going to lose any chance of that if i pack on mass, right?


"You Can't Sculpt a Pebble"

People are reporting fat loss percentages already with Body Beast...me included.

Just liked we talked about last night, I believe there are better supplements out there than Mass Gainer...which is mainly simple sugar. You need to go back and read the Book of Beast again. You will need to eat REAL food and a lot of it to pack on the Muscle Mass, and yes you will have to eat to cover your extra activities. Focus on your calorie targets and hitting your macros.

I know you are looking for second opinions, so why not ask your current Beachbody coach?

Robert
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RE: Advice ASAP-switch programs?
11/28/12 2:29 PM as a reply to hgeek23.
hgeek23:
need advice asap
I am doing Body Beast. Just finished day 9. I ordered a bunch of mass gainer--almost 100 servings worth from the GNC cyber monday sale, but am rethinking based on a conversation i had with a beachbody coach.
I am trying desperately to get ab definition. body beast is going to lose any chance of that if i pack on mass, right?
so heres the issue: 1) I WANT ABS.

You've got two choices -- build up a lot of muscle mass now, then do diet and heavy conditioning for fat loss later.

Or diet and condition for fat loss now, and build muscle mass later.

It's a question of priorities. If abs are your priority, then do what it takes to get abs.

If your goal is to look like bodybuilders (steroid-free ones), then be aware that many get really fat in the off season while eating craploads of calories and lifting heavy, then shred very drastically for competitions and photoshoots.

I guess an issue here is abs... are they an important enough endpoint that you're going to revolve all your programming around them?
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RE: Advice ASAP-switch programs?
11/30/12 5:32 AM as a reply to hgeek23.
hgeek;

You still around? I am curious if you made a decision. I re-read your post a few times, and I can tell you want those Abs, and it appears you want them first before anything. PaulX2 is right, and he stated what you need to do plain and simple.

Don't do Body Beast's nutrition plan Bulk/Cut if that is your goal. The exercises can be incorporated into something if you like, but not the nutrition plan as it stands.
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11/30/12 6:22 AM as a reply to bnurick.
He can still do the Body Beast program for weight loss, he just have to modify his nutrition.

Instead of taking more calorie than his CIM i would take a little less so he is in deficit. And i would switch my macro to 50% Protein/ 30% Carbs / 20% Fat.

This way he will lose fat, he will not gain much muscle as he is in deficit but if he has the program i don't see why he should switch to another program.
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11/30/12 6:48 AM as a reply to DominicDuclos.
I am here. don't know why but I was only alerted to replies this morning. Yes, abs are most important to me, I don't need to look like a guy with big arms but a nothing stomach.
So, weight gainer--I'm hearing 2 things, keep it for later and toss it. Don't know which advice to follow.
Beast--follow a modified plan or stay the course. Or switch to another program. This too I'm uncertain of. 12 days in I'm still where I started at 169 lbs. Even with the addition of daily creatine.
Body beast is the most fun I've had in ages--no yapping by Tony, no rolling around. That's why this is a more complicated decision.
I was going months with calories in the mid to high thousands and doing Les mills pump and not getting anywhere, I am desperate to improve. My coach said maybe try beast with a 90x style nutrition goal. So how many cals is that then? And should I do that?
Dominic, can we talk?
Thanks!
Hgeek23
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11/30/12 9:22 AM as a reply to DominicDuclos.
DominicDuclos:
He can still do the Body Beast program for weight loss, he just have to modify his nutrition.

Instead of taking more calorie than his CIM i would take a little less so he is in deficit. And i would switch my macro to 50% Protein/ 30% Carbs / 20% Fat.

This way he will lose fat, he will not gain much muscle as he is in deficit but if he has the program i don't see why he should switch to another program.


lol - I don't think you read my post very well. I said do not follow the nutrition plan as it stands in the book. He can do the exercises if he likes. Nutrition is his place to modify.
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11/30/12 10:04 AM as a reply to bnurick.
With 50/30/20 I won't gain muscle? Will I look more defined though? How many calories? Should I use mass gainer or not? Send it back or hold onto it? Is it really mostly sugars?
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11/30/12 10:52 AM as a reply to hgeek23.
In bodybuilding you can't really bulk up while ripping down. As the concept of bulking is overeating for a determined time in order to gain mass and muscle.

When you want to lose weight and get more ripped you gotta take less calories than your body need to be in deficit. This way your body will use stored fat to feed itself and you will get leaner.

Obviously you can't gain huge muscle mass while trying to lose weight at the same time as they are opposite. So you gotta make a choice here.


You can adjust your macro to 50P/30C/20F and take less calorie than your body need so you get leaner and you might gain some muscle mass at the same time but you wont bulk up. Or you can adjust your macro to 50C/25P/25F and take more calories than your body needs to bulk up and gain muscle mass so your muscle pops out and lean out at the beast phase to see those abs. Both you can't really do both at the same time.


As for your mass gainer, you can use it if you wanna bulk up but if you wanna lean down forget about it. If you want to lean down you can do as i told you and adjust your calories down and keep the mass gainer for a later bulk phase. Yes Mass gainer are mostly sugar and fat loaded as they are meant to do as they are named : gain mass. So if your goal is to see abs forget about the mass gainer and go with whey protein, if you wanna bulk and have a hard time hitting your macro you can use the mass gainer to help you reach them.


Here the nutritionnal fact of Muscle Juice weight gainer, take a look at it you will see for yourself what it is made off. If you look closely you will see that 60g of sugars per 4 scoops and 18g of fat for 55g of protein. If that can give you an idea of how much that is, this is like drinking 5 cup of 2% Milk.
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11/30/12 12:20 PM as a reply to hgeek23.
so the issue is then I am 169 pounds, 5`9.75. Not sure I need to lose weight, do I? Is it more about converting fat to muscle? I've been deficiting for months, I kid you not, and the entire time I've been at 165-168.
Will tons of sugars slow my performance in hockey? I am a goalie needing explosive movements.
Lastly, about legs day, it killed my legs for over 48 hours. I can't do that again. Any suggestions?
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11/30/12 12:55 PM as a reply to hgeek23.
Well if you have a 12% Body Fat, that is not too high and you could try the program with the recommended macro and calories and see after the first phase if your body fat and weights are going up. At that point you will see if you are gaining muscle or not and you can adjust through the program, don't be afraid to modify through the program.

You can add weeks to the build/bulk phases if you are not adding enough muscle mass or if you are having good gains you sure don't wanna go into a leaning phase too soon.

About the legs workout, don't worry the soreness will go away, the first workout, you will feel sore but the next one will be better. Do not worry the first week i did body beast, i was so sore i was having a hard time walking and moving my arms around but after that its get better and everything comes back to normal.
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11/30/12 1:56 PM as a reply to DominicDuclos.
I am On day 5 of the lean beast program....So sore But pushing through it.

But I don't see why you wont end up with the results you want as long as you follow the program. Everyone gets different results depending on how their body reacts to the workout. At 169 lbs for a man I personal don't think you need to lose any weight. I think you need to build bulk. You bulk ( add weight, build ( muscle & the beast is wear you will shred to define the muscle you having been training so hard to build in the 90 days of the program.

As for the gainer I would go with the body beast products that come with the program....thats what I have my husband on. They are designed for just what you need during the workouts & after. Plus the super suma will boost your testosterone to build even bigger muscles.

Check this out: Caloric Needs Calculator to figure out your calories

Plus if you workout on a stability ball you will be working your abs even more than on a bench. Take a deep breath Train hard & those Abs will be there in no time emoticon

Hope this helps

Carlie
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11/30/12 3:33 PM as a reply to DominicDuclos.
DominicDuclos:
Well if you have a 12% Body Fat, that is not too high and you could try the program with the recommended macro and calories and see after the first phase if your body fat and weights are going up. At that point you will see if you are gaining muscle or not and you can adjust through the program, don't be afraid to modify through the program.


I 100% agree with this.

I went from 15% body fat down to 11% body fat and gained 12 lbs of lean muscle mass in the process following the Book of Beast calorie targets and macros and adjusting as necessary. In fact...I adjust UP in calories adding 300-500 more per day to cover what I burned in a 2nd light cardio workout. If you are short on time, Body Beast is great when you get to the Bulk Phase as the workouts are around 35 minutes.

You might actually dip below 10% after the Beast Phase, and gain 5 lbs of lean mass...if you continue to play rigorous hockey.

If Body Beast is a program you enjoy doing...DO IT! If I had visible abs at 15% body fat, you should see yours at 12%.

You can't sculpt a pebble.


If you get fat on Body Beast you did it wrong.

You may need to build up those abdominal muscles more. While you do not do a lot of specific ab exercises in Beast you are working your core all the time to hold stable. (Think Reverse Grip Rows).

Nix the Weight Gain, read the Book of Beast, eat real foods with complex carbs and eat a lot of it. Hit your calorie targets, at the right macros. There's not a whole lot I see wrong with the Body Beast program.

You are in a place where people are not telling you what you want to hear. At some point you look at successful people and just say they are wrong, and that you are right, or just TRUST IN THE PROGRAM
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11/30/12 11:29 PM as a reply to hgeek23.
To me it just sounds like you aren't eating enough calories to cover your activities. You're doing BOTH hockey AND Body Beast WHILE eating at a deficit for months.

Your body can't build muscle if it's tearing it down because you're starving yourself.

Follow the nutrition to a T for the first phase and see where it gets you. You said yourself that you're tired of eating at a deficit. Try what the program actually says to do calorie wise and stick to it.

ALSO, come back here after you're done and tell us your progress. emoticon
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12/2/12 12:01 AM as a reply to hgeek23.
about the legs workout--I dont know about it since i can't accept the soreness. tonight is supposed to be legs but i have a game tomorrow. That's an issue.
Also, I think i will accept the advice about just following the program. Im sure i'll look good after 90 days, if after that no abs then so be it, i'll do a program to further cut. its day 13 so im 1/6 of the way there about so im not giving up, only issue is i really should find a replacement for legs that's suitable.
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12/2/12 6:32 AM as a reply to hgeek23.
About the leg workout, if soreness is an issue, as i said earlier soreness is only for the first times you do the workout. The first week that i did the leg workoutm my leg were beaten up and i was 2-3 days feeling sluggish but the next week it was a lot better and it only got better. Sure rigth after the workout you will feel it in your legs but the next day it will be okay.

I guess if that really matters you, you could put be less weight on this time and maybe do more reps. That could minimize the tissue breakdown and you could see from there for the next workout to add more weight. But if i were you, i wouldn't worry too much about the soreness as it is always worse the first time that you train a new body part.
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12/2/12 7:25 AM as a reply to RBroussard.
I so agree with you!


RBroussard:
DominicDuclos:
Well if you have a 12% Body Fat, that is not too high and you could try the program with the recommended macro and calories and see after the first phase if your body fat and weights are going up. At that point you will see if you are gaining muscle or not and you can adjust through the program, don't be afraid to modify through the program.


I 100% agree with this.

I went from 15% body fat down to 11% body fat and gained 12 lbs of lean muscle mass in the process following the Book of Beast calorie targets and macros and adjusting as necessary. In fact...I adjust UP in calories adding 300-500 more per day to cover what I burned in a 2nd light cardio workout. If you are short on time, Body Beast is great when you get to the Bulk Phase as the workouts are around 35 minutes.

You might actually dip below 10% after the Beast Phase, and gain 5 lbs of lean mass...if you continue to play rigorous hockey.

If Body Beast is a program you enjoy doing...DO IT! If I had visible abs at 15% body fat, you should see yours at 12%.

You can't sculpt a pebble.


If you get fat on Body Beast you did it wrong.

You may need to build up those abdominal muscles more. While you do not do a lot of specific ab exercises in Beast you are working your core all the time to hold stable. (Think Reverse Grip Rows).

Nix the Weight Gain, read the Book of Beast, eat real foods with complex carbs and eat a lot of it. Hit your calorie targets, at the right macros. There's not a whole lot I see wrong with the Body Beast program.

You are in a place where people are not telling you what you want to hear. At some point you look at successful people and just say they are wrong, and that you are right, or just TRUST IN THE PROGRAM
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