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Loss of Mass
Loss of Mass
1/9/13 8:48 AM
Coming out of P90X and going into Phase I of P90X2, it seems that there aren't nearly as many mass building exercises. So, while I understand that Phase I is strengthening the "canoe" that will will eventually house the "cannon", I'm curious to hear from advanced users of P90x2 - do you eventually get that mass back in the later phases? I worked so hard to get my biceps up and running, I'd hate to lose mass there in the name of being lean.

Thank you in advance.
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RE: Loss of Mass
1/9/13 11:03 AM as a reply to EadanMacleod.
I'm into week 4 of P90X2, which they refer to as the 'Strength' phase. The Chest, Back, and Balance workout was the single hardest one I have been through since first starting plyometrics in P90X. I think you'll be pleased with what you get coming into the second phase.
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RE: Loss of Mass
1/9/13 1:48 PM as a reply to EadanMacleod.
While i love the P90X2 workouts i don't think you can really build much muscle mass with that program based on the fact that most exercice focus on the core and you can't use much weight as you are most of the time unstable.
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RE: Loss of Mass
1/10/13 9:23 AM as a reply to DominicDuclos.
I agree with coach above...this really isn't a mass building program...it is focused on the core and a good one for that. If your goal is mass building I would suggest looking at Body Beast. Each of these programs have different focuses and it is important to match your goal with the right program.

Let me know if I can be of any help going forward.

--Mike
Team Engage
P90X Certified
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RE: Loss of Mass
1/11/13 9:42 AM as a reply to CoachMikeMJM.
OK, thank you. I think I might start taking one of the rest days and turning it into a dumbbell day to try to hold onto the mass gains I experienced.
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RE: Loss of Mass
1/11/13 10:06 AM as a reply to EadanMacleod.
Good points guys about the core and focus of the program.
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RE: Loss of Mass
1/11/13 12:42 PM as a reply to CoachNorthman.
I also went from P90X to P90X/Insanity to X2 (I'm in Phase II and I just started week 4)

I disagree with the posts that say it is just a core building program - I have put on mass in Phase II and I have gained the mass in my biceps that was lost in Phase I. I have also gained mass in my lats as well because there is a tremendous amount of pull ups in phase II, more so than in P90X

Yes - X2 is also focused on the core while Beast is strictly a mass building program but if you are serious about building mass and that is your only concern, Beast is not the best way to go about that either.

If your goal is to put on some mass and improve overall fitness, X2 definitely does that.
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RE: Loss of Mass
1/16/13 7:34 AM as a reply to EadanMacleod.
EadanMacleod:
Coming out of P90X and going into Phase I of P90X2, it seems that there aren't nearly as many mass building exercises.

The mass building in P90X is all sarcoplasmic hypertrophy stuff. High rep while fatigued. It makes muscles big but not necessarily strong.

At least some of the exercises in P90X2, by being very difficult (I'm thinking of many of the instability pushup moves), actually require more force production per rep and result in lower rep counts. I think this is better for myofibrillar hypertrophy, which is SMALLER but more functional, more metabolically active, and most importantly stronger. Not that a med ball pushup is any substitute for a bench press, but 8 reps of a med pushup is a better strength move than 15 reps of pushups on the floor.

There is also a LOT more plyometrics, esp upper body, in P90X2. Explosive moves require more force production as well, and can trigger strength adaptations.

Where P90X2 is lacking is leg strength -- it's really not until PAP Lower that there is any significant lower body resistance move.
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